fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
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I have to say each to his own. Who cares what other peoples choice is. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder which means that taste is entirely subjective, What I like doesn't have to be liked by anyone but me. I care not a jot what others think of my choices because no one knows what the reasons are for my choice. I can see that the RRV may be perfect for some and not for others. It's why they make so many different cars, so they can pick and choose the best for them. My personal choice has been for the D3/4 but I understand they are becoming a bit long in the tooth. They are an amazing truck and do so much so well. If they weren't so heavy it would be a simpler task to bring them up to date. Sadly that wasn't the case and the 5 was born or is it hatched. The looks aren't to everyone's taste but the ability remains top drawer. I have to agree with JC regarding the rear seats which were designed too low to allow the backs to drop automatically. With the D3/4 you had to drop the seat base but the 5 has already dropped them in favour of convenience rather than comfort. It's one of the things that put me off tbh. As much as JC is a kn0b of the highest order, he's not wrong here. FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
D4 HSE 2012 Like a second wife, more expensive but goes better! I almost cried this time!
D3 HSE 2006 (Almost 8 years together, true love)
Land Cruiser VX 1994 11 years together, wife cried when I p/ex'd for my D3
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Canburne
Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Devon
Posts: 2037
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Saw one at the Royal Cornwall Show last week and the killer for me was the lip into the boot space which makes it near impossible to get a decent sized dog cage in there. Shame because it looked pretty good. .
"the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings....the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" Winston Churchill
2016 D4 Landmark Club Waitomo ...or is it Club Tempest????
2015 D4 HSE Aintree Green
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15th Jun 2018 5:19 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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- smaller dog ;
- custom made dog cage ;
- no cage : blanket and seperation on rear seats..
many, many options, if you really want it..
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15th Jun 2018 5:26 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
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Canburne wrote:Saw one at the Royal Cornwall Show last week and the killer for me was the lip into the boot space which makes it near impossible to get a decent sized dog cage in there. Shame because it looked pretty good.
Full size spare eliminates the lip but creates a step when the seats are folded.
The Velar has been updated and LR has been penny pinching, adaptive dynamics now an option also air suspension now an option on the V6 models, previously standard. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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15th Jun 2018 9:29 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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This is what I mean..
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15th Jun 2018 9:40 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
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I just have load retention net, stops the dog from taking over the driving and easy to take down if a large load is to be carried. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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15th Jun 2018 9:45 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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"..dog taking over the driving.."
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15th Jun 2018 9:50 pm |
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d-9
Member Since: 06 Feb 2017
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 132
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I was really really impressed with the velar, fantastic ride and handling. Makes my RRS feel both crashy and wallowy at the same time. The massage seats were pretty good too. I need to try a bike in the back of the velar, but if it fits then it's going on the shopping list for a couple of years time.
According to a mate in the trade, the d5 styling is keeping d4 values high 2008 TDV8 Sport HSE
1973 SIII Lightweight
Etc
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15th Jun 2018 9:52 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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@d-9.
How old is your RRS ? Is it the previous model ? I have a D3 and had al bushings and triangles,
etc etc replaced : too much play from wear... Drives better then a new RR Autobiography SDV8 now..
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15th Jun 2018 9:57 pm |
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Canburne
Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Devon
Posts: 2037
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Dan_NL wrote:- smaller dog ;
- custom made dog cage ;
- no cage : blanket and seperation on rear seats..
many, many options, if you really want it..
Not a chance - it is what I do, training and trialling gundogs. I have six goldens and have a custom built Lintran cage for my D4 (would never ever have dogs in a car without a proper cage). The best offer the saleman could come up with was a FFRR but I doubt even the extended length one would have the same capacity as the D4 ....even if I could afford it. .
"the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings....the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" Winston Churchill
2016 D4 Landmark Club Waitomo ...or is it Club Tempest????
2015 D4 HSE Aintree Green
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16th Jun 2018 7:53 am |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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Disco_Mikey wrote:I bet it doesn’t
Well, it was hard to believe for me too...
I drove :
- F-Pace 2L diesel prestige. Roadholdign qualities and driving good. So direct but liveless steering, no bumpy or bouncy ride ;
- XF V6 s [diesel] . Drives as a dead dodo. No engine thrills, not eager/fast. Useless ;
- RR Autobiography SDV8. Well, massage seats are nice. But the seat and back are bulging like you sit
on s skippyball. Tend to slide off every turn. Steering like a battleship like "your-wish-is-my-command",
but with a bleeding timelag between steering and actually taking a bend.. Engine is on paper mighty..
But you have to trash it to do anything. Sompy throttle like its elastic. If they'd give me one I would
sell it and buy a spare gearbox and engine for my D3. Keep the rest of the cash to pay for repairs for
the next eon;
- RRS SDV6 . This is a NICE car. This is actually better then my D3. It steers direct, hangs to the
throttle, no bouncing or floating/sickning sensation while driving.. This is the ONLY car that can tempt
me to spend cash on ever..
- Discovery Sport. This car surprised me. I thought it was utter garbage. But its not too bad actually.
Its far from the league of the real stuff, but as a daily driver, sitting in commute congestion, its OK.
Steering is good. Autobox is no comparison to 8-gear ZF. Its hesitant and a bit clonky, a different
class. But as I said, OK for a comfortable ride to work, with a sort of commanding view...
But I'd never buy one unless its dead cheap. Dressed up it comes into RRS area. I'd buy a 2 yrs old RRS instead of a new DS..
Or if I don't have enough [ most likely ], an ex demo F-Pace...
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16th Jun 2018 8:53 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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Canburne wrote:The best offer the saleman could come up with was a FFRR but I doubt even the extended length one would have the same capacity as the D4 ....even if I could afford it.
Fortunately, I don’t need the load carrying capability that I used to and I’ve only the one dog, so the FF has worked for me. While the load capacity is down, it does at least have a proper tailgate, although the jump in and out of the back is higher and Ben now needs a ramp, although the loading height is still usefully less than the ‘5.
Unfortunately, nothing can compete with the ‘4 for outright space, practical shape and tailgate design. It really seems like there’s just nothing else out there 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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16th Jun 2018 10:07 am |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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@red merle.
Transit van ? Lower threshold and a lot cheaper then any JLR product..
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16th Jun 2018 10:26 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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The current Transit’s not a bad looking motor at all, especially the recent facelift
Hasn’t got quite the sense of occasion of travelling in a D4 or a FF though 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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16th Jun 2018 4:04 pm |
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