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Oh well,
If its true some of em will be reading how sh t as service they are,maybe they'll take some comments away from here and use them in staff training
15th Oct 2011 8:52 pm
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Ah, i have no fear, as i am capable of providing quite a surprise, involving sudden personal delivery of a "Very Special" and quite potent type of chemical nerve agent.
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I don't understand it but I know people who are expert at interrogating almost any device and it is incredible what you learn about people from their gadgets.
Yea i know someone like that
I am guessing it was my User Name (BBS SPY) that gave me away
You are quite right about about how many manufacturers are turning to such techniques though and this is never more so in the Computing industry.
In a vehicle, it is, or has been, only the Airbag ECU that keeps a constant buffer of vehicle parameters it stores in a Crash memory when fired. This is likely however only for their own legal reasons to help them in cases bought against them, most often in the US. It seems that law enforcement have been catching onto this and I have come across equipment specifically designed for them to gain access to this.
DJ:
As you probably appreciate, as it is my profession, i would humbly suggest that i am quite experienced, knowledgeable and capable about LR's vehicle ECU's, especially in respect of their memories, storage capabilities and what information they store and can be accessed from them by all methods.
To date i know of only 3 possibilities that might possibly result in a stored record of a torque value in a vehicle.
1) The supercharged EMS has a flight recorder built in, but i have never really looked into how sophisticated this is and it might not even record torque.
2) The afore mentioned Airbag, but this would be stored only after a crash.
3) When storing certain fault codes, some data at the time the fault occurred is also stored, although this requires the right fault and the time of storage to be exactly when you have torque applied above normal.
Its a really very long shot and now i mention it, i don't recall torque as being one of the possible parameters stored.
RP is also correct about LR now keeping records of vehicles fault history. When IDS changed to SDD it became a much more "required to be currently on line" kind of diagnostic system. The detailed access logs the dealers tool creates along with all read faults, actions performed and results etc are uploaded in real time.
16th Oct 2011 3:52 pm
MikeS2005
Member Since: 13 Sep 2008
Location: Midlothian
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dealers snooping
Hi
The post was a simple warning as I have now asked my friend the exact details of his friends case it seems one of the mechanics in the garage where his VW polo was having some issues that the mechanic mentioned the modiifications to his service manager and the mechanic was a member of the same forum they then went into the forum and looked at the guys postings where he kindly exposed all of the modifications on his vehicle hence the garage invoved passed this information onto VW, who null and voided the warranty on the said vehicle leaving the guy with a repair bill of around £4k
This isnt a myth it is perfectly true so why wouldnt it be true for other forums
cheers
16th Oct 2011 10:27 pm
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I don't know about using it to decline warranty work, but I guarantee you that at least some dealers DO snoop on here!Joined the BMWX5 45e group
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17th Oct 2011 6:10 am
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Land Rover themselves read this forum quite a lot
17th Oct 2011 10:29 am
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best place for them to look if they want to know where they are letting customers down, it's like a free customers evaluation form Experience is a difficult teacher, because she gives the test first and then the lesson afterwards!!!!
18th Oct 2011 9:19 am
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Here's some proof...
Look at the 7th post down !!!
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IMO there's a difference between a dispute in that example where the dealership feels it is being slandered and general monitoring of everyone's modifications which as Nick says would be a monumental waste of time.
Unless they can demonstrate that your modification has directly caused a failure which you then go on to claim under warranty I wouldn't worry ...well I've had plenty of mods and haven't worried about it for the last 40 odd warranty claims in my time with LR anyway 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
Absolutely, I have experience of this The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us yet.
dont read this forum than they are missing a trick....
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18th Oct 2011 10:19 am
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