Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
Pretty siure my diesel waxed the other morning started just fine but no revs at all and idled at 4/500 rpm with alt light flashing, after a minute or two running and some warm fuel going back through the system it picked up and ran fine.
Tank was down to a 1/4 and it was morrisons fuel, so last night derved up with some posh premium diesel and now the weather has warmed up!
2nd Mar 2018 8:29 am
grillphil
Member Since: 11 Jun 2014
Location: Waltham Cross
Posts: 216
For every full tank of diesel I add 100ml of Archoil AR6900-D Max to help clean the injectors and the whole fuel system. Been using it for 10 month's and makes the engine much smoother.
It seems I have a few things to check before coming to any conclusions and opening the wallet too soon
Also, I fitted a new battery last week as the old one was 6 years old and was discharging enough so as not to turn the engine over after having the doors open for 30-40 mins with the interior lights on
2nd Mar 2018 8:40 am
Ben4
Member Since: 28 Apr 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
Posts: 934
That’s interesting.
Anyone else using Archoil AR6900-D Max or similar?formerly Disco3Ben
2016 D4, Santorini Black
2007 D3, Black - sold
2nd Mar 2018 9:29 am
grillphil
Member Since: 11 Jun 2014
Location: Waltham Cross
Posts: 216
I have a IID BT so can test the performance of the injectors but is there a "How To" as I cannot find it on here?
Advice would be appreciated
2nd Mar 2018 9:50 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72787
Get the car properly warmed up, plug in IID & connect your phone/tablet/pooters to it, go into live values, select the 6 injector values in numerical order, keep car at idle, screenprint your phone/tablet/widget. Simples.
Will give you something like this. Anything this far from 1,000 as some of these would be an issue. Also, while you're in there, check for faults & email to yourself.
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2nd Mar 2018 10:08 am
grillphil
Member Since: 11 Jun 2014
Location: Waltham Cross
Posts: 216
DSL.
I'll post my findings.
2nd Mar 2018 10:11 am
Parky63
Member Since: 10 Apr 2017
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 401
I'm not daft enough to take on a stalwart of this fantastic forum like DSL, however........
Back last year my 12 year D3 with 114k miles would refuse to start at +2C on Tesco fuel + 2SO even using Robbie's give it 30 seconds with the ignition on (repeat a couple of times) then turn the engine over. Glow plugs checked - FUBAR'd injector readings NOT checked. Change over to BP fuel and started yesterday at -4C. Struggled a bit one cylinder firing then 2 and ran quite lumpy for a minute but she started.
Just my tuppence. Why don't we have a ducking below the parapet emoji?
1. not all supermarket fuel is the same of course...gelling problem preventing starting (i.e. firing) is a regular in the Alps with all makes of car due supermarket fuel from South of France. Garages down in the valleys now have the flushing process down to a fine art. Filling with Total Excellium or similar solves that before going up to the ski station.
2. Glowplugs - certainly got 2, maybe now 3, duff. 2 used to be enough to get the motor going with an initial misfire. Now symptoms are just relay clicking (like dead battery but it's a BIG new one) when temp is <+5 degrees. Repeatedly energizing glowplugs then repeatedly turning key 5-10 times will finally activate starter and engine starts fine (lumpily of course at first). This behaviour (needing to turn key repeatedly) usually indicates corroded starter segments (brushes not making good contact) but starter replaced. Injectors checked too. Oh, and ignition barrel itself though relay wouldn't click if this were culprit. Starting when warm = perfect.
Am aware of Technical bulletins re poor cold starting and software upgrade advised by LR but since there are several plugs out there will remain an issue despite this 'fix', if it is one. Perhaps the temp sensor (oil or coolant or even block??) is telling the plug relay or ECU not to turn starter?? Have trouble believing this. Anyway, used to start fine in sub-zero temps. Finally, FBH upgrade, whilst very nice to have and would 'fix' the problem for me is not actually the real solution here
So, after months of research I've reluctantly come to conclusion that I need to change a couple of plugs minimum. With care, patience (and ultrasound?) we might be ok....after all, lots of people have to go through this with the D3/4. But we'll play safe and only go for the dead plugs.D2 Td5 (most unreliable car of 21 I've owned but still a dear old thing)
D3 TDV6 (most reliable car - er, till this winter)
+ Alfa Gt, Fiat 500 & LDV Maxus
2nd Mar 2018 11:39 am
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10365
Des - If that was my car I would be temporally connecting an additional wire upto the starter motor into the battery box.
Fit a fully insulated red crocodile clip or drill a hole in the side of the battery box plastic and fit one of these
If I were keeping the car then yes but when you sell a car in France it's not a buyer beware situation - if they can show you must have been aware of the problem then you're (technically at least) responsible for up to 6 months. In same way you can't sell a car (except under certain narrow circumstances) without an MOT. Covering myself by selling with a mechanical warranty isn't the solution here either (more expensive, less 'exploitable' than in UK). Bet you're glad you're a dealer in the UK!D2 Td5 (most unreliable car of 21 I've owned but still a dear old thing)
D3 TDV6 (most reliable car - er, till this winter)
+ Alfa Gt, Fiat 500 & LDV Maxus
2nd Mar 2018 1:31 pm
grillphil
Member Since: 11 Jun 2014
Location: Waltham Cross
Posts: 216
Twas the same this morning after cycling the ignition & glow plugs 4 times and it was only -2°C.
One thing I'm glad of that there is no smoke (white, blue or black) whatsoever, only some condensation that's to be expected.
Perhaps I'm being paranoid thinking it could be a more serious issue
2nd Mar 2018 1:32 pm
grillphil
Member Since: 11 Jun 2014
Location: Waltham Cross
Posts: 216
Desmodromic wrote:
Gazellio @ Prestige Cars wrote:
Why not fit a remote FBH kit?
If I were keeping the car then yes but when you sell a car in France it's not a buyer beware situation - if they can show you must have been aware of the problem then you're (technically at least) responsible for up to 6 months. In same way you can't sell a car (except under certain narrow circumstances) without an MOT. Covering myself by selling with a mechanical warranty isn't the solution here either (more expensive, less 'exploitable' than in UK). Bet you're glad you're a dealer in the UK!
Bloody hell Des. Best we stick to this side of the pond!
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