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Wex
Member Since: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Knackeragua
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| D2 GS TD5 , pros and cons , ( or just pros ) (or just cons)! |
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Ok wan't sure where to post this , so if in wrong section , my apologies 
I am buying a D2 GS TD5 7 seat in the next few weeks . Finally sourced one at a reasonable price and relatively low mileage.The purpose is mainly for Mrs D to haul round a horsebox.School playschool run , tesco run , odd trip to town etc etc , light usage.My budget couldn't stretch to anything more 
Is there anything that I should be looking out for , problem/niggle wise before I part with my hard earned cash that maybe you lot may have experienced in your previous D2 incarnations.I know most here are loyal to the brand but would ask to give a true unbiased opinion on what I should look out for .
Spec is as follows : Autobox ,16 ``Alloys, 2 xSunroof, Metallic Paint, 4 xElectric Windows, Electric Mirrors,Remote Central Locking, Immobiliser, Drivers Air Bag, Passenger Air Bag, Air Conditioning, Radio-Cassette, Adjustable Steering Wheel, Rear Head Rests, Cruise Control, Front Fogs, Dual Zone Climate Control, Full Landrover Service History. 61 K miles.01 MY . One owner.NCT/DOE till June 09
The dealer has mentioned that one of the rear side " Bags " on the suspension is knackered ( air suspension ?).I have done a few searches and read that if one of the bags is gone then the other/s should be replaced . Depending on how long the bag was leaking could it also affected the life of the compressor ?The dealer was open about it and has booked it into a Land Rover dealer to rectify this and any other faults.
Timing belt ; should it have been replaced before 61 k , fuel pump near dead ? etc etc . ???
Any advice on the subject would be greatly appreciated guys>lashings of cyber beer to those that reply and if met in person then equal measures of real stuff also.Thanks in advance , Dwex 
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 22nd Jun 2007 5:47 pm |
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bkehoe
Member Since: 24 Feb 2006
Location: Wexford
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The TD5 doesn't have a timing belt; it's chain driven, and doesn't need to be replaced.
Any problems revving over 3k RPM? Some (probably all) TD5s have a problem with oil running back to the ECU through the injector loom. This can cause misfires at higher rpms. It's not considered a serious problem, but it took LR a long time to sort it out. New injector loom is around €50 and the ECU connector needs cleaning out with electrical contact cleaner. Had this problem with my 2000 one, but I think it was fixed on 2002/2003 onwards ones, as my 04 one didn't have any hint of oil in the loom.
If you've test driven it, you'll know the auto is a bit slow - need to rev the engine a bit more than you'd expect to get the speedo to climb 
Does it have a sunroof? Make sure it doesn't leak!
Air suspension problems are quite common, and it isn't unusual for the air bags to leak as they age. The D2 does not have air suspension on the front, only the rear by the way. I personally wouldn't be too worried about the compressor, but maybe try to get the dealer to give you an extra few months warranty on it?
As it's a GS spec, and has rear air suspension, it probably doesn't have ACE. ACE is Active Cornering Enhancement and is a hydraulic system which stiffens the anti roll bars when cornering and also gives the suspension extra travel when offroading. It'll also lock the anti roll bars when on a sideslope, making the vehicle more stable. It makes a massive difference to handling on the road though, with almost no leaning in the bends. I would not have a D2 without it. If you haven't driven a D2 with ACE, then do, it's remarkable the difference. Most people I've spoken to that have gone from D2 to D3 ownership are of the opinion that a D2 with ACE corners better than the D3 does! Probably why LR fit a similar system to the RRS now. The dealer may try to fob you off and say that the air suspension compensates, but it doesn't. If I had a choice of having the air suspension or ACE, I'd go with the ACE equipped ones.
Only the higher spec, e.g. ES, possibly XS, came with ACE and SLS (air suspension) as standard. Typically the GS commercial or 5 seat came with ACE and the 7 seat had air suspension instead.
You won't get a 7 seat without air suspension by the way - 7 seaters were only available with air at the rear for self levelling purposes.
Don't think there's anything else, but I would recommend driving one with and without ACE so you can come to your own conclusions.  IE - 05 D3 TDV6 HSE - Zambezi Silver
SA - 07 VW Golf TDI - White - Sold!
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| 22nd Jun 2007 7:40 pm |
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Dave
Member Since: 08 Mar 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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I love my D2 GS 7  My only gripes are that the turning circle is huge and there are 5 things in the back covered in foam that I honestly do not know what they are supposed to be  Captain Nick Medhurst would ask:
"What is the first rule when overlanding?"
I would Reply:
"Duratrac"
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| 22nd Jun 2007 10:25 pm |
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DG
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I had a GS with ACE for a few years ...it was VERY stable on the road ...but not as smooth as the D3 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 22nd Jun 2007 10:27 pm |
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Dave
Member Since: 08 Mar 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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 How are your self fit parking sensors Dwex?
Back on topic - A BIG pro - I get 560 miles from a tank of Diesel (90 litres) And that is all sorts of driving varying from short runs to motorways Captain Nick Medhurst would ask:
"What is the first rule when overlanding?"
I would Reply:
"Duratrac"
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| 22nd Jun 2007 10:37 pm |
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bkehoe
Member Since: 24 Feb 2006
Location: Wexford
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DG wrote:I had a GS with ACE for a few years ...it was VERY stable on the road ...but not as smooth as the D3
Definatly not as smooth as a D3, flatter in the corners though.
Drove a D2 without ACE though as a loaner one day and it felt as if it was going to topple over when going quickly around the bends. In fact the Jeep Commander I had in the US reminded me of it .
560 miles, is that all?  Got 660 once (in the manual d2) and could have got 700+ only for I chickened out thinking the fuel level sender had gone wrong! You can expect 450 - 500 out of a tank in an auto D2 - that's right, the D3 auto gets more MPG than the D2!
Hmm, 5 things covered in foam?  IE - 05 D3 TDV6 HSE - Zambezi Silver
SA - 07 VW Golf TDI - White - Sold!
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| 22nd Jun 2007 10:59 pm |
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Dave
Member Since: 08 Mar 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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bkehoe wrote:Hmm, 5 things covered in foam?
Yup, where the seats are supposed to be
They are acceptable especially if you will only be using them for ankle biters, get somebody tall in the front and an adult would not have a lot of space in the back. I do not use them anyway I just think that it would be useful to know and something to test out when Discowex looks at one Captain Nick Medhurst would ask:
"What is the first rule when overlanding?"
I would Reply:
"Duratrac"
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| 22nd Jun 2007 11:09 pm |
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bkehoe
Member Since: 24 Feb 2006
Location: Wexford
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Didn't you know that if you want to put anyone in the back of a D2 that you must cut their legs off? You can put the hacksaws in the netting on the roof at the back! IE - 05 D3 TDV6 HSE - Zambezi Silver
SA - 07 VW Golf TDI - White - Sold!
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| 22nd Jun 2007 11:16 pm |
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Dave
Member Since: 08 Mar 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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Handy!!  Captain Nick Medhurst would ask:
"What is the first rule when overlanding?"
I would Reply:
"Duratrac"
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| 22nd Jun 2007 11:23 pm |
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SPORTYBUS
Member Since: 20 Jul 2006
Location: Irelande Du Nord
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| Discovery 2 Wanted ala this thread? |
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Anyone know if there is one of the D2's for sale? My mate is after one (Yes, I have tried convincing him to do the extra 4-5 grand for a 'real' Discovery in the 3! But his budget will only either by a top-of-range D2 04? Or Base/S D3 05??)
[His] wish list would be:
03/04
GS XS
Diesel
Oslo /Java or Tonga
7 seats
Auto
Alpacca Leather int.
ACE (On Bren's reccomendation)
Sat Nav - if poss?
<50K miles
Not mush of a wish list But there's nothing wrong with settling the bar high at the start? Est-ce que bonjour, vous aime ma nouvelle découverte brillante gentille trois, je pense qu'elle regarde les boules de chiens, pas vous ?
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| 23rd Jun 2007 7:29 am |
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bkehoe
Member Since: 24 Feb 2006
Location: Wexford
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I wouldn't bother with the factory sat nav. No maps or anything. It's a very dated system by todays standards and you'd be better off just getting a Garmin or TomTom (you'd probably get one anyway rather than use the built in one!). I suspect D2 Metropolis editions had a better satnav unit on the roof, but I'm not sure. IE - 05 D3 TDV6 HSE - Zambezi Silver
SA - 07 VW Golf TDI - White - Sold!
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| 23rd Jun 2007 9:04 am |
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bkehoe
Member Since: 24 Feb 2006
Location: Wexford
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Does it have to be a TD5 Discowex?
Some high spec V8s going for next to nothing compared to similar TD5s.
For example, http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?f...rID=441077 (this is not an XS spec, its definatly ES, as XS only had half leather seats and this has full leather). IE - 05 D3 TDV6 HSE - Zambezi Silver
SA - 07 VW Golf TDI - White - Sold!
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| 23rd Jun 2007 10:48 am |
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Slimer
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| Re: Discovery 2 Wanted ala this thread? |
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VCZ 3 wrote:....My mate is after one (Yes, I have tried convincing him to do the extra 4-5 grand for a 'real' Discovery in the 3! But his budget will only either by a top-of-range D2 04? Or Base/S D3 05??)....
how much is he looking to spend? The End
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| 23rd Jun 2007 10:49 am |
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Wex
Member Since: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Knackeragua
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BKehoe
Quote:Does it have to be a TD5 Discowex?
Fraid so Bren , I have my own diesel tank at home . I presume I would need to haul a petrol bowser behind the V8. Nice motor tho Thanks for the tips on the ACE aswell , appreciate it & I'll make point of asking about the Oil/Injector Loom problem aswell .
Quote: Yup, where the seats are supposed to be
They are acceptable especially if you will only be using them for ankle biters, get somebody tall in the front and an adult would not have a lot of space in the back. I do not use them anyway I just think that it would be useful to know and something to test out when Discowex looks at one
Thanks Dave I'll check that one out.Tho the middle seats will be taken up with three kids carseats.
Quote:How are your self fit parking sensors Dwex?
Doing great Dave . Only cost me € 20 new . Im trying something out with them at the mo and when/if I get a solution I'll post details . 
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| 25th Jun 2007 7:42 am |
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