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Breaking point reached ?
We all rant & rave at stuff, in particular the way drivers/owners/operators of anything that runs on our roads are looked on by various authorities (regardless of political affiliation) as cash cows, to be milked dry at each & every oportunity.
What I personally hate is that justification to these schemes is usually dressed up as "environmental" and not thinking it through properly.
Looking at the physical backlash against khans hated ULEZ cameras I'm thinking that collectivly we have reached breaking point and that all these authorities need to realise that enough is enough.
(I won't hold my breath though).
19th Sep 2023 12:52 pm
waterbuoy
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The news in Wales today certainly seems to support that view:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66853445Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
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19th Sep 2023 1:28 pm
RRSTDV8
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Mass discontent at policies can change them - see the poll tax, for example. But it never makes them go away - the poll tax just became the Council Tax.
The reality is that Governments sometimes have to make decisions and implement policies that the masses don't like - just as parents have to do things that their children hate them for. Populist policies are great vote winners but almost always sow the seeds for serious problems in the future.
Yes, easy to say when, for example, I don't live/drive in London that doesn't alter the fact that sometimes unpopular decisions can be correct decisions. And, yes, there will be decisions that have me ranting and shouting just as the ULEZ is doing to some in London.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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Someone will be along shortly to say that the answer is to vote for a government that will bring back the 30mph limits and scrap ULEZ. Now that we have greater democracy and sovereignty. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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19th Sep 2023 4:16 pm
waterbuoy
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Mass discontent at policies can change them - see the poll tax, for example. But it never makes them go away - the poll tax just became the Council Tax.
But did it? The 'Poll Tax' (aka Community Charge) was a per-capita flat-rate charge/tax which replaced domestic rates. The Poll Tax was replaced with the Council Tax - which is based on pretty much the same basis as the original domestic rates.
The Poll Tax (which I didn't have much of a problem with TBH, despite being relatively young and skint at that time) was a fundamental change to the system which was subsequently rejected by the masses, effectively leading to the reintroduction of the scheme it had previously replaced.Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
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110 V8 CSW (220k)
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19th Sep 2023 4:24 pm
RRSTDV8
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Re: Breaking point reached ?
NoDo$h wrote:
While we're on the subject of protests against things we dislike, does anyone have particularly strong views for or against cured pork leg?
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I quite like a slice of it fried in a pan with a fried egg on top, oh, and some chips too. Yummy. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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19th Sep 2023 4:40 pm
Paul J.
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Or how about sandwiched between two slices of thickly buttered crusty white loaf?An ex-Disco3 / FFRR owner ......
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19th Sep 2023 5:10 pm
robsmith
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Hmm cured pork leg, just needs some mustard and chips to make the core of a good meal Rob Smith
Silver rools OK
19th Sep 2023 5:13 pm
Captain Crosscheck
Member Since: 03 Sep 2021
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NoDo$h wrote:
While we're on the subject of protests against things we dislike, does anyone have particularly strong views for or against cured pork leg?
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I object to all pictures of (scrummy) food, as I have to see the doctor tomorrow morning on a fasting stomach
19th Sep 2023 7:20 pm
Paul J.
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This photo of Fiorentina Grilled Gammon Steaks won’t help then.
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I can’t think why the combination of gammon and spinach seems appropriate for this thread. An ex-Disco3 / FFRR owner ......
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19th Sep 2023 7:49 pm
Nasher
Member Since: 07 Mar 2009
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Perhaps Gammon and Leek would be more appropriate!Heaven doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over.
19th Sep 2023 7:55 pm
Brian Considine
Member Since: 05 Dec 2022
Location: Nr Margate
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Mass discontent at policies can change them - see the poll tax, for example. But it never makes them go away - the poll tax just became the Council Tax.
Pre Poll Tax we had Council Rates which were based on the value of a property.
In an effort to make it more fair to a single person living alone paying the same as multiple people living in a similar property it was changed to an "Occupancy Tax" (AKA Poll Tax).
The great unwashed were the main protesters as they universally disliked Thatcher anyway.
The so called Poll Tax was replaced by "Council Tax" which is based on the value of a property.
19th Sep 2023 10:40 pm
Brian Considine
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LT wrote:
Someone will be along shortly to say that the answer is to vote for a government that will bring back the 30mph limits and scrap ULEZ. Now that we have greater democracy and sovereignty.
I thought that scrapping ULEZ would be a none starter, but read earlier this evening that Uncle Rushi has put back bans on new petrol/diesel cars & vans, gas boilers & a few other things.
Looks like he's getting a few things right.
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