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Discomadness wrote:
Very good video.
This whole thing is making me grind my teeth though. Landrover/bmw/everyone else can say whatever they want can’t they ? If ZF say service every 100,000kms then legally how can the car manufacturer say “sealed for life”
The point I’m trying to make is ultimately it’s a blatant lie and why are they not being held accountable for it ? The amount of gearbox faults people have due to this must be staggering the world over and just like other issues it’s just being swept under the rug. I’m confused. Why ?
Don’t disagree, but define ‘life’
14th Dec 2018 8:14 am
VOD80
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I don't know but, with a bit of lateral thinking, could it not also be a way of making the car cheaper because there isn't some sort of eco-punishment as the oil isn't changed?
So, same running costs for us but cheaper purchase price?
Or is that too far fetched? After all, there must be a reason why JLR says "sealed for life"...
14th Dec 2018 3:51 pm
goodo
Member Since: 04 Dec 2018
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The reason is to make your running costs cheaper. If you stipulate an oil change every 4,000 miles whereas your competitor stipulates every 15,000 the chances are you’ll get less business as your customers will have higher operating costs.
14th Dec 2018 3:57 pm
Discomadness
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lynalldiscovery wrote:
But the truth is, it is sealed for life, once the oil loses its goodness, the gearbox is dead, so the car makers statement is factual!
Says who. And where ? The zf manual states “replace oil at x mileage. It does not say “once 70,000kms has been reached the gearbox is knackered and you need to replace it”
Do landrover actually state “sealed for life means it never needs to be changed” it’s all just a load of bs designed to swindle people. I would say that is a fact but I don’t actually have the proof of that either.Jarrod
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14th Dec 2018 5:04 pm
lynalldiscovery
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Are you asking me or the whole forum?
14th Dec 2018 5:25 pm
Discomadness
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Well asking where your statement is based from really and everyone also on the whole, please don’t take it that I was being prickly here. I just would like to know where the statement was generated from. And to people wholly more educated than me on such matters if there actually is literature which states that A: once it’s reached x miles it’s scrap essentially
B: is there any actual wording anywhere which states that landrovers policy of sealed for life means what exactly. Is there a paragraph hidden somewhere which states “we class the life of the vehicle to be 70,000kms or x years old”
What I’m trying to ascertain is has anyone put their foot in it factually with all this and literally admitted liability. Or are the powers that be arrogant enough to not care anyway.Jarrod
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14th Dec 2018 5:57 pm
M3DPO
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Why don’t they make the same statement about the engine ?- and all the components for that matter.It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
14th Dec 2018 6:03 pm
Discomadness
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Exactly though ! The difference I feel with the gearbox is that zf actually does state that it should be serviced and then landrover contradicts it. The zf6 gearbox is fitted to all sorts. Do other makers claim the same ?Jarrod
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14th Dec 2018 6:21 pm
PROFSR G
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I remember coming across this "filled for life" issue back in the early nineties with a 7 series BMW after its auto box went kaput.
Back then BMW informed me that the auto box was indeed filled for life, and that there was no requirement to change the oil. Period!
Not being at all satisfied with this response, I decided to phone ZF themselves. I got through through to their technical dept in the UK, and was advised by a very helpful Gent that, "ZF never claimed their transmissions were filled for life". He suggested that this was the manufacturers initiative, and was based on their own built in redundancy of the car
When I asked him what was the ZF recommendation for the transmission service he said", oil & filter change between 60,000 & 80,000 miles max, and every 40,000 thereafter".
I have stuck to this rigidly ever since, and have not had one single issue with an auto box from that day to this. That's 23 years with all my cars, all my families cars, and many customers too yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
14th Dec 2018 8:22 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Sooner rather than later peeps, assuming it makes any difference. My D3 had a double flush at 80k (mega flush wasn’t out then), new TC at 140k, so new fluid, and box rebuild at 162k, 4k before engine died.
Sooooooooo glad not to have these worries any more.
14th Dec 2018 8:31 pm
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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Perhaps someone should post this in the LRCC forum... My D3 Build Thread
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What’s the lrcc forum ? Jarrod
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14th Dec 2018 8:59 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Not worth the effort. They’ll just blame driving style or design intent.
14th Dec 2018 9:00 pm
goodo
Member Since: 04 Dec 2018
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So, I've looked through the official workshop manual I bought off eBay, and it states every "9 years or 144,000 miles renew the automatic transmission fluid". So not 'sealed for life' then, unless the life in question is 144,000 miles?
Also, there's no mention of a filter change, just an oil change and fluid check as we know it.....[/img]
21st Dec 2018 9:10 pm
Discomadness
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So zf say 70000 and landrover say 150000 ?Jarrod
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