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World Philosophy day - Q2
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2. ARE YOU THE SAME PERSON WHO STARTED READING THIS ARTICLE?
Consider a photo of someone you think is you eight years ago. What makes that person you? You might say he she was composed of the same cells as you now. But most of your cells are replaced every seven years. You might instead say you're an organism, a particular human being, and that organisms can survive cell replacement - this oak being the same tree as the sapling I planted last year.
But are you really an entire human being? If surgeons swapped George Bush's brain for yours, surely the Bush look-alike, recovering from the operation in the White House, would be you. Hence it is tempting to say that you are a human brain, not a human being.
But why the brain and not the spleen? Presumably because the brain supports your mental states, eg your hopes, fears, beliefs, values, and memories. But then it looks like it's actually those mental states that count, not the brain supporting them. So the view is that even if the surgeons didn't implant your brain in Bush's skull, but merely scanned it, wiped it, and then imprinted its states on to Bush's pre-wiped brain, the Bush look-alike recovering in the White House would again be you.
But the view faces a problem: what if surgeons imprinted your mental states on two pre-wiped brains: George Bush's and Gordon Brown's? Would you be in the White House or in Downing Street? There's nothing on which to base a sensible choice. Yet one person cannot be in two places at once.
In the end, then, no attempt to make sense of your continued existence over time works. You are not the person who started reading this article.
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Hmmm .....no one want to be Brown or Bush then ? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
20th Nov 2008 9:44 pm
stevejhunt
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Sorry. Fell asleep before I got to that bit.
Quite partial to a bit of Bush myself...........
I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member...........
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20th Nov 2008 9:55 pm
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Well if this isn't increasing your post count then.................. Global Warming.... I'm luvvin it
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20th Nov 2008 10:23 pm
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Shrinky wrote:
Well if this isn't increasing your post count then..................
Increasing it for what...and to beat who ? They are all individual questions that would have been difficult to respond to in one thread. ...besides I'm trying to give some of you thickies some culture
...besides I'm trying to give some of you thickies some culture
That must be me then As you slide down the banister of life
may no splinters point your way
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20th Nov 2008 10:29 pm
AndrewW
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Shrinky wrote:
Well if this isn't increasing your post count then..................
But if he's a different person at the end of the article from the start, then he is just 15,000 people with 1 post each! 2006 D3 finally swapped for a 2016 D4 Graphite in Graphite grey. No mods
Within minutes the person you thought you were could change to a different person, depending on the disscussions / experiences you undergo. Illustrations of this can be seen on this site, you buy a D3, circumstances change, the government screws you for buying one, now you consider it was not the best thing to do, are you now a different person than you were when you bought it
Would that then mean you are a differnt person every time you change your mind, or are you the same person with a different point of view I'm not as good as I once was........but I'm as good once as I ever was.
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21st Nov 2008 1:37 am
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Come on DG don't be a bogart. Pass that bammy I'm not so good at giving advice...may I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
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...besides I'm trying to give some of you thickies some culture 
