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4th Feb 2009 8:02 pm
baart
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it's completely different vehicle - no comparison at all
but I have to say pathfinder looks good ( and name is nice)
and feels OK when you drive on unpaved roads to nearby shop to buy a beer| Il boit pour oublier qu'il vit
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4th Feb 2009 8:38 pm
countrywide
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Yep Nissan buy Renault engines, the 2.0 in Qashqai is from Renault. This probably explains why it won't start easily in the cold.
In comparison most cars feel cheap and tinny compared to the D3.
4th Feb 2009 8:46 pm
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thanks DG for tidying up after me!!...lol
You were right chaps I was belatedly answering Discoduncs question .......Interesting discussion though it sparked ......but reassures me that its not me being picky when I compared the 2 cars seems others have the same feeling. Pathfinder is a company car so used Monday to Friday then I jump into the Disco at the weekend!!! on the plus side I get to do a long term test comparing the two....on the downside the comment about pathfinder owners wishing they had a discovery everytime they see one on the road.....abso-bloody-lutely!!!!!...well at least in my case anyhow!! lol
Saying that I wish I could sort out these annoying niggly faults on the disco once and for all!!! Im sorry...did I break your concentration?
Renault own Nissan hence the engine sharing. The lump in the Pathfinder and Navarro is an old design that has been pushed to the limits and consequently has had a large number of failures. The failure rate in the Navarro is very high probably because they are driven by people who have no interest in them and hammer them constantly. Is there something in the Navarro handbook that says when on a motorway the thing must be driven drive flat in the outside lane?
The Navarro and the Pathfinder are essentially the same vehicle with the same platform and mechanicals and a lot of shared interior trim.
I took one around the 4x4 course at Bedford Aerodrome a couple of years ago and it was very capable. As others have noted the engine sounds as though it wws from a Routemaster bus.
5th Feb 2009 3:46 pm
SN
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Didn't BN do a Pathfinder/Navara vs Disco3 comparison?
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5th Feb 2009 3:54 pm
scoobystiv8
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Gaza wrote:
Renault own Nissan hence the engine sharing. The lump in the Pathfinder and Navarro is an old design that has been pushed to the limits and consequently has had a large number of failures. The failure rate in the Navarro is very high probably because they are driven by people who have no interest in them and hammer them constantly. Is there something in the Navarro handbook that says when on a motorway the thing must be driven drive flat in the outside lane?
The Navarro and the Pathfinder are essentially the same vehicle with the same platform and mechanicals and a lot of shared interior trim.
I took one around the 4x4 course at Bedford Aerodrome a couple of years ago and it was very capable. As others have noted the engine sounds as though it wws from a Routemaster bus.
I think you will find it was the D22 Navara and not the later D51 Pathfinder.
It is tinny and feels cheaper, but kit wise will beat most D3s and it will not let you down every few days. Far more reliable and cheaper to run, yet just as capable, The D3 has far more engine failures than any Nissan look at honestjohn.co.uk. Non biased. The badge is what sells land rovers not the car. How many owners if honest dont have any problems with there D3s. Sorry this may seam bitter but after 10 years of Land Rovers I have woken up, they just cost money. When they run they are fantastic, but really how often is that. My Pathfinder I will take off road and feel confident it will make it ack.
Sorry but I will not be back at Land Rover, my Nissan is noisy not as quick but has managed to do 10 days without breaking down, thats 9 more than a D3. And the rear view camera is still working..D3 V8 SE AUTO
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5th May 2009 8:47 pm
NJF
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scoobystiv8,
You're plainly and probably reasonably upset but also atypical. I tell lots of people how poor I think my Mercs have been (12 years' ownership; 3 cars) and how much I have enjoyed my Land Rovers (5 years; two cars; 1991 110 CSW and 2007 D3 HSE). Nuff said?
5th May 2009 8:56 pm
scoobystiv8
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NJF wrote:
scoobystiv8,
You're plainly and probably reasonably upset but also atypical. I tell lots of people how poor I think my Mercs have been (12 years' ownership; 3 cars) and how much I have enjoyed my Land Rovers (5 years; two cars; 1991 110 CSW and 2007 D3 HSE). Nuff said?
I have always defended Land Rover but yes I agree I am now really hacked off with them. Its such a shame. Unfortunately my comparisons are my Subarus which just dont break, and now the Pathfinder which again is out performing Land Rover.D3 V8 SE AUTO
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5th May 2009 9:02 pm
MelanieH
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I've had landrovers for years, including a 90, Discovery 200i, TD5, RR Sport and now the D3..... the bottom line - there are always more reliable and cheaper cars out there than a LR and if you need to rely on a car 100% then a LR probably isn't the marque to go for..... jap is! That said our Sport was phenomenal and didn't let us down in 3 years and 55k miles (apart from the handbrake which occasionally didn't engage!) Our latest member of the family - the D3 - is really lovely and I'm sooooo pleased with it but I'm under no illusions - it's going to cost me money but it's something I'm prepared for given how practical the vehicle will be for us....
I've also got a merc, which after 9,000 miles - the 7 speed tiptronic gearbox went.... £4.5k to remove and replace (under warranty thank god) but ultimately for a 'luxury marque' I don't have the re-assurance with it that I have with the LR.Mercedes SLK 280
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5th May 2009 9:20 pm
ayrshiredisco
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scoobystiv8 wrote:
Unfortunately my comparisons are my Subarus which just dont break, and now the Pathfinder which again is out performing Land Rover.
Strange cause my mate works for nissan (he sells company lease deals) and he says that most pathfinders that he has had out on contract have been returned before the deal is up because they are either, a: not fit for purpose or b: break down far too often.
As for subaru i had one when i was in my early 20's and i could only ever manage about 15mpg, i hardly call that good economics!!
This is only my 2nd LR but in the year i've owned it has only ever been in the garage once, for 2 days, thats better than when i had the subaru because my local dealer, like LR, could never get parts.
Thats my opinion, and like everybody will have/know of good and bad in both brands. If in doubt............flat out.
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5th May 2009 9:25 pm
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MelanieH wrote:
I've also got a merc, which after 9,000 miles - the 7 speed tiptronic gearbox went....
(nearly)
MelanieH, did you have problems with a low-speed shudder, perhaps preceded by the 'box "hunting" up and down the gears at very low speed? My September 2006 320CDi is doing that now, even after a dealer reset. I'm hoping it will last until September this year, when the lease expires and (global financial Armageddon permitting) I can switch to a D4. It's a pity, because in all other respects the car is really superb, and I'd buy it if I thought it would be reliable. I heard that the problem is still linked to the way that the gearbox intercooler runs through the main radiator matrix ... made by Valeo?
5th May 2009 9:35 pm
scoobystiv8
Member Since: 02 Nov 2007
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ayrshiredisco wrote:
scoobystiv8 wrote:
Unfortunately my comparisons are my Subarus which just dont break, and now the Pathfinder which again is out performing Land Rover.
Strange cause my mate works for nissan (he sells company lease deals) and he says that most pathfinders that he has had out on contract have been returned before the deal is up because they are either, a: not fit for purpose or b: break down far too often.
As for subaru i had one when i was in my early 20's and i could only ever manage about 15mpg, i hardly call that good economics!!
This is only my 2nd LR but in the year i've owned it has only ever been in the garage once, for 2 days, thats better than when i had the subaru because my local dealer, like LR, could never get parts.
Thats my opinion, and like everybody will have/know of good and bad in both brands.
I am not into fuel economy, hence I had the D3 V8. I am only protraying my 10 years of Land rover ownership, I am not saying the Nissan is perfect, just its more reliable in my case. I dont buy cars for economics, my subarus which I have had 4 have never let me down, 2 covered in excess of 150K Forester Turbo and Impreza UK Turbo. If you look at most reliability surveys I think you will find alot of unhappy owners, Nisan is not perfect but for over 10K less than a LR se spec it makes sense especially when its bought and paid for, also wont lose as much money. I paid 14K for my Aventura which is specced as per HSE, I can keep it for 2 years and sell without losing much money and without all the breakdowns. Any Nissan mechanic will tell you the problems are with Navars D22s not the Pathfinders or D40 Navaras. I have alot to do with the motor industry and have a fair knowledge of what works and what doesnt. Again its each to there own. D3 V8 SE AUTO
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5th May 2009 9:36 pm
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scoobystiv8 wrote:
I have alot to do with the motor industry and have a fair knowledge of what works and what doesnt. Again its each to there own.
Not enough to get yourself a decent dealer to sort out your everyday D3 problems though eh
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