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Waxoyl - Advice
Thinking about Waxoyling the Disco before the Wiltshire trip in September.
A couple of questions and a few cheeky requests...
1. This guy www.before-n-after.co.uk
says that the LR applied underbody protection needs to be completely removed before applying waxoyl. Anybody have any experience in if this is necessary or even if the LR coating is even thick enough to be bothered about?
2. Should I use just waxoyl everywhere or is there a big benefit to use the Underbody protection with Waxoyl? Anybody really know the difference?
3. I'm a tight git , so if anyone has the application gun they don't mind lending out to me Then I can just buy the 5gallon refill tins... 8)
4. Should I go for the clear waxoyl or the black?
5. Some people have used Dinitrol but appears to be thinner & need re-applying more often, anyone heard of this?
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7th Aug 2007 3:36 pm
LT
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I had an Australian HSV (VT) treated, as the standard underbody treatment was almost non-existent. Used the regular black stuff. A friends garage did it, and it was very messy. Ideally needs to be done by someone experienced. Cover up all the areas around the lower part of the D3 & anywhere else you don't want to treat, we used paper & low glue masking tape. It's a very messy job & the fine spray gets everywhere.
Unless you plan to keep your D3 for the long term, I'd question if it was worth doing.
7th Aug 2007 3:50 pm
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Re: Waxoyl - Advice
Bodsy wrote:
I'm a tight git ,
Bodsy, U neeed to change your flag! One like this would suit your happiness to save.
7th Aug 2007 3:53 pm
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Bodsy,
I had Before and After (B&A) waxoyl my 90 about 5 years ago. Before this treatment it did have a 'black gunge' underbody coating over just about everything under the car. Every time I used a spanner on the underside I had to spend time getting this stuff off afterwards. It stuck like the proverbial ' to a blanket'.
Looking under my Disco I don't see any sign of this gunge being used.
Since having B&A do the 90 I can say there is almost no sign of any corrosion on any of the underside or for that matter anywhere else. That is apart from a few small areas of corrosion typical of steel/aluminum reaction, which is well away from the treated areas.Discovery 3 XS Auto, Stornaway, Active rear diff.
7th Aug 2007 4:17 pm
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@LT Planning on keeping the black beast for 5 years or maybe even more, so I think it's worth doing, although the before-n-after Kleentect is very pricey (£1500+vat!) so I don't think i'd go down that route.
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7th Aug 2007 4:18 pm
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7th Aug 2007 4:20 pm
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If you go the DIY route, you'll really need the use of a ramp or a pit & make sure that all the underside is as clean as poss. Iirc, the actual cost of the Waxoyl wasn't that much. Good luck.
7th Aug 2007 4:26 pm
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Martin, from the posts I've read on some other forums, it's refered to as the LR 'Gloop' I don't think the Disco's are covered in it, but will find out when I get it up on stands to have a look in a few weeks. Unless of course anyone else here know?
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7th Aug 2007 4:27 pm
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The guy is Chris Parsons, he posts (still?) on LROI, from what I've read he does a good job, but isn't cheap!DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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7th Aug 2007 4:41 pm
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Pelyma Yes, I think his Kleentect system is the dogs danglies of underbody protection, but at almost £2k is way over the budget I was looking t!
RobH the Schutz system is slightly different, but waxoyl also have a can that fits the schutz modules, so it may be that they use the same stuff?
interested to know of those that have done this themselves & to find out where all of the hidden rust prone nooks & crannies are. Perhaps those with older Disco's can shed some light on where they may see some potential corrosion spots if they're not protected already.
I know that any area that gets grounded whilst off road will need to be re-protected, but i can cope with that, has to be better than nothing?Bodsys Brake Bible
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7th Aug 2007 4:49 pm
Pelyma
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He also does waxoyl I seem to recallDS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
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7th Aug 2007 5:26 pm
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I have done a few other Landrovers and it is a dirty, messy, horrible job. It is also very difficult to do it right. For example trying to get waxoyl thin enough to spray into chassis box sections without using gallons of white spirit is not easy.
When I bought my D3 last September I headed down to before-n-after and had the job done right. The high pressure cleaning equipment he has is amazing, although my car was brand new and didnt need it. He also applies the waxoyl under very high pressure so it gets into every nook and cranny.
I plan to keep the car a long time so for me, it made sense. Not cheap but then again neither is repairing rust damage a few years down the road.
7th Aug 2007 6:09 pm
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That's a long way to go!DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
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7th Aug 2007 6:27 pm
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What was the cost for the Disco?Discovery 3 XS Auto, Stornaway, Active rear diff.
7th Aug 2007 6:32 pm
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Here in Denmark is one of the most corrosive environments for cars. Everybody that plan to keep their cars have them protected quite early after purchase.
I plan to keep mine and the dealer told me to go to Dinitrol. They have the product that work with the LR factory stuff so they can apply on top of it. Also my dealer said that to avoid issues with the 6 year corrosion warranty i should go for that type.
If you know somebody at dinitrol you could ask them to lend you the model specific appliance sheet. It states in detail where to apply what product. And I am happy to say that the D3 can have a complete treatment without drilling any holes.
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, so if anyone has the application gun they don't mind lending out to me Then I can just buy the 5gallon refill tins... 8)
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