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I suppose the soft bushes are one of the reasons why a new D3 rides and handles so well. If harder bushes were installed, it would compromise the magic carpet sensation.
I'm sure Polybush will be on the case?
23rd Jun 2009 9:16 pm
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Disco_Mikey wrote:
caverD3 wrote:
LR are aware of the issue and have completely re-designed the loer controll arm to take different bushes and ball joints.
AFAIK, the bushes and arms are the same, just the ball joints are different...
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24th Jun 2009 12:41 am
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They superceded the part numbers on the old arms when they changed the design of the ball joints. Dont think tghey have done anything to the actual bushes though...
The above is just an example picture, couldnt find a better one... Also, ignore the bottom half
Shows the difference between voided and solid bushes...
Voided bushes will wear out and need replaced, but also give a nice smooth ride
Solid bushes should (in theory, anyway) never need replaced, improves handling but compromises ride quality. You will get more road noise, and a slighty 'crashier' ride.My D3 Build Thread
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Can anyone advise if there's supposed to be any lateral ( L to R & vice versa) movement in the control arm bushes.I have the same knock on braking and the ride quality has been to say the least.Driving on the slightest uneven surfaces results in lots of feedback through the steering wheel .
I fitted the spacers to the ARB bushes , improving it only the slightest.Ball joints are the new version also.
I've changed out the shocks as this was the original diagnosis.
Whilst I was doing all this I noticed some polishing to the face of the cleats/mountings that would indicate the control arm bush is sliding against it .
Any opinions ?
24th Jun 2009 10:39 am
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Stick a camera on it, and go for a drive
24th Jun 2009 7:23 pm
Disco_Mikey
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Changed a pair of arms this week. Got some pics of old and new bushes
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Damage is plain to see, obviously a very soft bush. Are the bushes available separately? or do you have to have the whole wishbone?
27th Jun 2009 1:29 pm
Disco_Mikey
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The bushes are available seperatly, but the are a pain in the to fit, even with the special tools...
The arms are, IIRC, £103 + VAT each, so if they are worn, and also needs ball joints, its advisable to just replace the whole arm. Word of warning though, the rear bolts WILL be seized unless they have been out before (there is a knack to getting them out ), and it will require a 4 wheel alignment afterwardsMy D3 Build Thread
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Location: Chicago
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As promised, I have some additional videos of the rear suspension in action. I'd like to point out that in most of these videos you will hear a chatter from the right wheel area, it has been driving me nuts for almost a year and the dealer cannot locate it. If anyone has any ideas as to what is causing this noise I'm all ears! I am scheduled to have my front control arms replaced this weekend as a result of the videos.
Another interesting note is that the rear bushes move quite a bit under acceleration and heavy braking. I do not know if the movement in mine is normal or the rears are shot as well. Any comments appreciated it!
Notice the opposing forces under braking and acceleration at the end of this video:
Right Rear control arm upper bush:
Right Rear control arm lower bush:
Right Rear wheel rear control arm lower bush
Right Rear Suspension:
Right Rear Suspension:
Front Upper Control arm bush (should it move this much?):
D3 Rear Gonad Weight (they don't swing that much!!!):
How I did it:
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15th Jul 2009 1:11 am
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any opinions?16 D4 Landmark
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LR are aware of the issue and have completely re-designed the loer controll arm to take different bushes and ball joints.
AFAIK, the bushes and arms are the same, just the ball joints are different...
Old Nos
RORBX500291
RORBK500040
New Nos
RBK500230
RBK500240
Nick said the new ones come attached to the new arms.
If its a know issue is this something I should look at trying to get replaced before my warranty is up even?Sceen name use to be "wantsanlr3"
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15th Jul 2009 3:27 pm
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I would have the front lower control arm bushes inspected prior to your warranty expiring. It's known that they are soft and wear prematurely.16 D4 Landmark
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to say the least.Driving on the slightest uneven surfaces results in lots of feedback through the steering wheel .
), and it will require a 4 wheel alignment afterwards
