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gstuart
 


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turbo question

hi

apologies in advance for the daft question

turbo limp mode has come up, which checking on the iid comes up p132 , until i can at least rule out a stuck actuator or the small intercooler hose for any splits is there any way to unplug the turbo actuator as a temporary measure please

was on the motorway today and it went into limp mode twice, only up hills as it dropped down a gear ,

had to get onto the hard shoulder very quickly

around town etc it’s fine , just so bloody dangerous when all of a sudden looses power

if it is the turbo will try and do it myself as i did get a quote a little while ago from the dealers and they want just over £2,500 , that’s why i thought i would ask if it can be disabled just for some breathing space in case i do have to replace it

will do some searches of who u guys go to for turbos, fingers crossed it’s not , shame it’s not a D4 where u can change just the faulty actuator motor complete with the turbo still in situ

thks again Thumbs Up
   
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You could try some turbo cleaner, used for sticking vanes. Best is forte turbo cleaner,
  
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gstuart
 


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hi john

bless u for that , is it sprayed directly into the air cleaner with the engine running plse

is typical land rover , just about to start on getting all the suspension finished and the landy thinks that’s not enough for me to be going on Whistle

i did get the actuator software added so it motors the actuator arm when the ign is turned on and off, maybe it’s just sticking ??

meant to add i heard for the first time today and small whistle , just before it went into limp mode, so wondering ref split hose, but alas all speculation until i get eyes onto it

thks again and will get a tin Thumbs Up

just quickly , is it above 2,500 the turbo comes in plse , cheers
  

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Post #19341426th Apr 2018 7:58 pm
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When I had P132 (over boost) unfortunately it was the turbo at fault and like you it happened when pushing it on the hills or towing. I learned how to get around it by using command shift to drop a gear or two when towing on the hills. The actuator arm was free moving so decided it must have been the stepper motor/servo on the turbo. I eventually plucked up the courage to change the turbo and all has been good for the last 4 or 5 years.
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It goes in the fuel tank , some reviews,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/urw/Forte-Diesel-Tu...1505421417
  
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Oswiperus wrote:
When I had P132 (over boost) unfortunately it was the turbo at fault and like you it happened when pushing it on the hills or towing. I learned how to get around it by using command shift to drop a gear or two when towing on the hills. The actuator arm was free moving so decided it must have been the stepper motor/servo on the turbo. I eventually plucked up the courage to change the turbo and all has been good for the last 4 or 5 years.


hi

indeed that’s what i’m also fearing with it being the turbo, am just coming up to 100,000 miles

will be starting again replacing my front air struts, drop links etc and thought that would be an ideal time to remove the inner wheel arch, finish off the dinotrol and then get the heat shields out if the way so i can have a better look at the turbo

also got silicone intercooler hoses and some T bolt clamps

will try some of the forbes turbo cleaner , ensure the actuator arm is free and hose then at least i know ive checked everything else and move onto the turbo

shame it couldn’t be bypassed in order it just stopped the dangerous limp mode

been reading up on how hard it is to change the turbo in situ , does look challenging to say the least

may i ask did u also replace the turbo yourself please

see there’s quite a few turbo companies around

thks again for the reply Thumbs Up
   
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johnlad wrote:
It goes in the fuel tank , some reviews,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/urw/Forte-Diesel-Tu...1505421417


many thks for the link and the reviews look promising

must admit when it goes into limp mode on the motorway it certainally gets ur attention pretty dam fast

will get some of that and run a few bottle through , know it won’t be a pleasant job replacing the turbo, but in once sense at least i can see others have replaced it on there driveway so there’s hope yet, lol

thks again for the heads up Thumbs Up
   
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Never, ever seen a TDV6 with sticky internal vanes. Every single time, it has been the external linkage that has Been seized

No amount of fuel additives will cure it. Seeing as you will be working in the wheel arch anyway, give the actuator a wiggle

Worst case, if it does need a turbo, you can easily knock £1k off the dealers quote by going to a decent Indy Thumbs Up
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Hi

many thks , Thumbs Up

shame if that’s the case of not being able to just replace the complete actuator in situ , but then read somewhere that if it was possible it has to be set up on the bench

i might be lucky and indeed be the actuator arm sticking , does have the software that motors the actuator over when the ign is turned on and off

will know more once i can actually see it properly and go from there , but at least i know there’s a few things to try

hopefully it isn’t but if it’s comes to it will try and replace the turbo myself, famous last words Whistle
   
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nothing you can unplug to improve things

It's probably not the electric actuator, but the mechanical part seized.

Does anyone know if they are worse when the turbo is upto heat or when cool ?

Good tip about using the command shift to down change Thumbs Up
  
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I changed the turbo on mine on the drive. They are a pig to do, I was lucky as the car was only about 4 years old at the time so things came undone but as they get older seized/corroded nuts/bolts just add to the fun. The job cost me about £450 which was the cost of the new turbo which I got from midland turbos I think (it was about 10 years ago) as I’m sure you realise the bulk of the cost is labour
  
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I took the body of mine to change the turbo as I'm lucky enough to have a lift so decided to do a few other bit and bobs while the body was off.
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Pete K wrote:
nothing you can unplug to improve things

It's probably not the electric actuator, but the mechanical part seized.

Does anyone know if they are worse when the turbo is upto heat or when cool ?

Good tip about using the command shift to down change Thumbs Up


hi pete

many thks, always the learning curve with these, Laughing

tried that going up a few hills and decided not to play ball
   
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camelrock wrote:
I changed the turbo on mine on the drive. They are a pig to do, I was lucky as the car was only about 4 years old at the time so things came undone but as they get older seized/corroded nuts/bolts just add to the fun. The job cost me about £450 which was the cost of the new turbo which I got from midland turbos I think (it was about 10 years ago) as I’m sure you realise the bulk of the cost is labour


thks, will have a look at there website Thumbs Up

indeed won’t be looking forward to doing the job, never know i might be lucky , split hose or actuator arm sticking
   
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Oswiperus wrote:
I took the body of mine to change the turbo as I'm lucky enough to have a lift so decided to do a few other bit and bobs while the body was off.


that’s cheating Whistle

if it comes to it i was actually thinking what it would cost to have a crane company come and lift the body off, but think that would seriously put a few bob onto the final outlay Big Cry

did ring round some local companies if they rented out lifts but no go, due to insurance etc

nearest one is north london which isn’t any good

wouldn’t mind so much ref the turbo if it wasn’t bleeding dangerous how it cuts out into limp mode on the motorway
   
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