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stu1974
Member Since: 05 Feb 2012
Location: Whitley Near Selby
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Hello All
Im new here so please bare with me. 
I’ve got a Range Rover Sport 2.7 TDV6 in a 55 plate HSE.
Like some other people took ages to start this morning. -9 degrees, where we live in the country.
Eventually started after cranking for 30 seconds and cycling glow plugs for 3 times before cranking...
The yellow glow plug light stops on each time for 6-10 seconds and then goes out..
I had a funny feeling the glow plugs aren’t working so I have done a current draw test on the battery outside just now, outside air temp is 0 degrees. Engine hasnt been run since 10am this morning some 11 hrs ago, so flat cold ish.
I used a clamp meter around the main live going to the fuse box under the bonnet, the fuse box that holds the 2 glow plug relays and the 2 x 50 amp fuses. Fuses are ok by the way. I could hear clicking on igntion cycling.
The amp tester reads .5 amps on static drain, ignition off just lights inside cab on. No key in ignition)
But when I turn ignition on the drain is a mere 20.5 Amps... I would expect something like 9-14 amps a plug, at least, I would have guessed.. Making a total glow plug draw alone of 54 - 84 amps alone! Never mind all the ECus that power up with the ignition...
Something is a miss and obviously would explain the bad cold start...
Before I endure massive expense have any of you guys any suggestions? Things to check? Relays test procedure etc etc??
Any help would be very much appreciated!
STU
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 5th Feb 2012 10:17 pm |
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Tawny Owl
Member Since: 22 Oct 2008
Location: Here and there
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Welcome to the forum
Do a search on glowplugs and lot's of info will come up
Easiest way to check the glowplugs is at the multiplug on each bank. Disconnect and supply a feed directly from the battery to each pin (with your amp clamp around the wire) and see what amps you get , think it was around 15amps on a good working one. Had 3 go down on mine but only managed to get 1 out as the others were seized , may revisit the job again as really bad starting when cold.
If your confident to have a go yourself I have all the info you may need
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| 5th Feb 2012 11:10 pm |
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stu1974
Member Since: 05 Feb 2012
Location: Whitley Near Selby
Posts: 3
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Please could you send me any info you have, I'd really appreciate it mate. Are they easy to get to??
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| 5th Feb 2012 11:37 pm |
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stu1974
Member Since: 05 Feb 2012
Location: Whitley Near Selby
Posts: 3
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Hi All an update to what ive done today.
Ive removed the cover that covers the battrey and fuse box.
Ive removed the fuse box lid.
Ive also removed the engine plastic cover.
With all this exposed leaves you 2 main relays and 2 50min fuses.
It also exposes the the multi plugs on top of each bank on top of engine, which lead down to each bank of (3) Glow Plugs. All individually wired into 1 plug on each bank.
First thing I did was unplug each multi plug.
Starting on the left bank I used a multi meter to make sure that 12volts or there abouts was been sent to the 3 pins in each plug from the fuse/relay. It was, and so it was the same on the other bank.
Then after you know there is a voltage been sent direclty to the Glow Plugs you need the check there resistance.
Using a multi meter measure the other side of the plug that leads down in to the engine. Measure against earth on a Auto setting if you have one. In My case only 1 out of 6 made a reading 6 Ohms. This means ive got at least 1 Glow Plug working! If the reading is high or infinte or lower than 5 ohms the plugs are bad.
THEY NEED CHANGING!
BUT
Its a body off job and a major drill out job to attempt it apparentley...
Anybody and ideas, sombody has told me to use the FBH on a morning before I go outside to start it. I need the remote and receiver unit to enable me to do this...
After travelling a hour this morning to Bells Autos in York, I was told by a blunt guy there out of stock 2 weeks. No Sorry or thankyou for calling...Bad constomer services...
Anybody any other ideas on how to install a remote and reciever, or where I can buy an original kit from ??
Cheers All.
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| 6th Feb 2012 2:39 pm |
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yogi972
Member Since: 05 Jun 2011
Location: Kineton
Posts: 3372
 
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I would of rang first if I was having to travel for an hour to collect something, just to make sure?
can only comment that i've had first class service from Mr Pete himself via postage and email help
but I would interested in a 'how to' glow plugs too
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| 6th Feb 2012 3:13 pm |
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pdtunes
Member Since: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Mirfield
Posts: 2
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A little warning for you guys. The Disco 4 heater plugs do not run on 12v but 7v. Testing with a direct wire from the battery will cause it to glow very bright just the once. I have met a Landrover Tech who has made a nice little tool that removes siezed and snapped glow plugs. It fastens to the head and drills perfectly straight into the plug. It then injects penertrating fluid at high pressure past the plug. the tool then pulls straight on the plug. He pulled 3 broken plugs for me. Charged £50 a plug for 30 minutes work though. I suppose its better than head off.
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| 11th Apr 2012 12:30 am |
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bumph
Member Since: 14 Sep 2011
Location: teesside
Posts: 31
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pdtunes wrote:A little warning for you guys. The Disco 4 heater plugs do not run on 12v but 7v. Testing with a direct wire from the battery will cause it to glow very bright just the once. I have met a Landrover Tech who has made a nice little tool that removes siezed and snapped glow plugs. It fastens to the head and drills perfectly straight into the plug. It then injects penertrating fluid at high pressure past the plug. the tool then pulls straight on the plug. He pulled 3 broken plugs for me. Charged £50 a plug for 30 minutes work though. I suppose its better than head off.
do you have his phone number please???????
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| 6th Dec 2012 8:16 am |
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Barn1e
D3 Decade
Member Since: 28 Aug 2006
Location: Mid-sussex
Posts: 2021
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Two of the plugs are harder to reach but if you / garage can change the other four cold starting still seems to be ok, at least down South 
I have read mixed messages about using the FBH to warm the engine before starting. Some suggest that this confuses the computer into thinking that the engine is warmer than it is in reality and cuts out the Glowplug warming cycle. I guess it takes a temperature reading from somewhere that overrides the Glowplug cycle.
As regards Bell Autos, I have had excellent service. 2005, TDV6 S, Auto, 190k miles, owned from new, V8 Brake Upgrade, Nancom Evo, RLD protector, BAS EGR blanking & Remap, separate ATF cooler, changing all the fluids ahead of time.
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| 6th Dec 2012 9:26 am |
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bumph
Member Since: 14 Sep 2011
Location: teesside
Posts: 31
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i have the same problem sent the misses down to bells on tuesday night she got there around 5pm and his service was first class, great service and he fitted the remote system for the FBH while she waited,i couldnt of asked any more from the man,after a quick phone call he put my mind at rest 100% and i cannot reccommend the help and service he gave the misses when she arrived, thanks, for the heater plugs i had a go today as i had nothing to loose 1st snapped  ! 2,3 were loose from the factory i think they were not tight!! so far so good, 4,5 very tight little to the left little to the right and kept spaying them to help them but they did come out and 6 snapped so happy to know i have 4 good ones and a remote FBH,bring on the cold nights i am ready for you!!! go for the remote heater try him again as his remote system is fantastic he maybe was having a bad day we all have them!!i tried a lot of land rover specialist regarding the heater plugs and was quoted anything from £200- £3000 from a main dealer and was very shocked by the independant land rover specialists that had never tried to do them so really had no idea about changing them, my advice have a go yourself i am no mechanic but will try anything to save money and anyone can use a socket set if its going to snap its going to snap belive me it doesnt matter whos doing it!! with the remote FBH i turned it on while looking out the window got ready for work went out to the car and it started first turn of the key and within a mile of driving the heater was upto temperature instead of waiting 10 mins for it to warm up if not longer..
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| 6th Dec 2012 1:56 pm |
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mallo
Member Since: 10 Feb 2009
Location: Jersey
Posts: 351
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Hi all
We have drilled them out on several occasions for the local garages, but they are a game…..
The last one we did they (one of the local garages) had a go at drilling out the plugs they made a real mess of it (in fact the staff member was told not to touch them again), they also managed to snap an eazy-out in it just to top it off and didn’t say anything.
We managed to get the broken bit out and the old heater plug but they had also drilled out the thread that the plug screws into the head, this was welded up and re-drilled and re-threaded but not a cheap job and I wouldn’t necessarily quote it as has been said before sometimes they come out easily and sometimes they don’t…….
I am not sure if mine are all working, and we are going to the Alps in February will try and test them before I go and get them changed.
Slightly off topic but Landrover are not the only vehicle requiring this treatment we have done them for LDV and DAF and a few other in-between.
+ one more for Pete
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| 6th Dec 2012 4:41 pm |
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flatcapp
Member Since: 25 Oct 2016
Location: Sheffield
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| Hi pdtunes, do you have the contact details for the Landrove |
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pdtunes wrote:A little warning for you guys. The Disco 4 heater plugs do not run on 12v but 7v. Testing with a direct wire from the battery will cause it to glow very bright just the once. I have met a Landrover Tech who has made a nice little tool that removes siezed and snapped glow plugs. It fastens to the head and drills perfectly straight into the plug. It then injects penertrating fluid at high pressure past the plug. the tool then pulls straight on the plug. He pulled 3 broken plugs for me. Charged £50 a plug for 30 minutes work though. I suppose its better than head off.
Hi pdtunes, do you have the contact details for the Landrover Tech who removed the glow plugs. I've got a D3 that I suspect requires new glow plugs, that I am currently reluctant to try and remove.
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