Member Since: 18 Mar 2005
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Snow & Ice Driving
No doubt by now you will have found that by driving along normally then switching to mud & snow the engine mapping will act as if you have lost the accelerator control. Obviously it reduces your gas pedal by making you press the pedal much further down to get acceleration. This in fact is to 'stop' you doing it of course, the whole point of gently gently.
What you will find is that the ABS well work a lot more if you are aggressive. With my tyres it does not need to work at all.
Above are pictures of the Cooper STT's on a fairly steep slope. No problems at all and they throw out the snow amazingly. Second picture is the footprint of the tyres.
Enjoy the snow, guys we have a bit here now.
28th Dec 2005 2:01 pm
Smarticus
Member Since: 01 Jan 2005
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 655
I was out in the D3 yesterday in the snow and the Goodyear Wranglers actually did pretty well (they are almost new). Today I went out in the RRS which runs on 19" Pirelli Scorpions and I didn't feel nearly as secure. The Scorpions seemed far more likely to drift accross the road and very keen to pick up a frozen edge (there is a lot of frozen tyre tracks out there) and run along that edge which can get the vehicle out of shape. The softer suspension and better visibility in the D3 also seems to help.
In future, when it comes to snow and ice driving - I am taking the Disco !Disco 4 TDV6HSE
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28th Dec 2005 6:52 pm
Andy4467
Member Since: 25 Nov 2005
Location: Kent - England
Posts: 203
Totally agree! the standard 18" Wranglers are very impressive - Great at 90MPH and bloomin good in the snow today.
How good are the coopers on the road BN?Some say the glass is half full. Others that it is half empty. I say 'Are you drinking that?"
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28th Dec 2005 8:45 pm
Yello
Member Since: 07 Dec 2005
Location: Lohja
Posts: 24
Can't complain too much about traction. With studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta SUVs...
-y-Disco 3 TDV6 SE Auto
Oh, and the other 4WD: FourX with a Recaro seat
28th Dec 2005 8:51 pm
BN
Member Since: 18 Mar 2005
Location: Here
Posts: 6463
Andy4467 wrote:
Totally agree! the standard 18" Wranglers are very impressive - Great at 90MPH and bloomin good in the snow today.
How good are the coopers on the road BN?
Better than I expected, but not for everyday use of course as they are 80/20's
28th Dec 2005 10:16 pm
Dom Harvey Lord of the Four Fingers
Member Since: 15 Apr 2005
Location: Dorset
Posts: 7459
BN wrote:
Andy4467 wrote:
Totally agree! the standard 18" Wranglers are very impressive - Great at 90MPH and bloomin good in the snow today.
How good are the coopers on the road BN?
Better than I expected, but not for everyday use of course as they are 80/20's
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28th Dec 2005 11:02 pm
WinchMan
Member Since: 31 Oct 2005
Location: London
Posts: 9
Has anyone tried the Pirelli Skorpion Snow+Ice? I want to purchase a second set of winter wheels (and maybe a little bit of off road but not much) that I can keep on from October to April as I regularly travel to the Alps and with this kind of weather becoming the more common what the heck...ThksWinchMan
28th Dec 2005 11:04 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
maybe BN still has his broken one to get to the bottom of his long drive and back ??? Zimmers a bit risky in the snow
So BN... did you get your new one yet ?
28th Dec 2005 11:06 pm
espri
Member Since: 07 Nov 2005
Location: Tyrol, Austria
Posts: 387
WinchMan wrote:
Has anyone tried the Pirelli Skorpion Snow+Ice?
I have no personal experience of the Pirelli's but they were given top marks (along with Continental 4x4 WinterContacts) in a review of winter tyres in the November issue of the German magazine AutoBild alles Allrad.
On the basis of the article, I have ordered them for the Disco I should collect about the end of February.
Eric
28th Dec 2005 11:37 pm
BN
Member Since: 18 Mar 2005
Location: Here
Posts: 6463
simon wrote:
maybe BN still has his broken one to get to the bottom of his long drive and back ??? Zimmers a bit risky in the snow
So BN... did you get your new one yet ?
Car rejected, refund back from dealer, but dealer in no hurry to take car away just yet, so I still use it. I am at LRE Eastnor on and off for a while and LR have helped a bit.
29th Dec 2005 6:17 am
110CSW
Member Since: 19 Oct 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 796
I've got the standard issue 18" Scorpions and am very impressed with them. The braking performance in the snow is outstanding. I normally drive Audi Quattros' which, whilst they offer great traction in the snow, have poor braking with over enthusiastic ABS. This is not the case with the Disco on setting two. A great choice!
29th Dec 2005 10:54 pm
espri
Member Since: 07 Nov 2005
Location: Tyrol, Austria
Posts: 387
Dog wrote:
I've got the standard issue 18" Scorpions
Is the Scorpion Snow and Ice a different (winter) tyre from the standard Scorpion? I rather suspect so.
Eric
29th Dec 2005 11:11 pm
bluebarchetta
Member Since: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Aylesbury
Posts: 524
I have just looked at my the Pirellis, on my car (collected 23 December). They are Skorpions and have M+S in small letters on the sidewalls.
I assume they are standard, but don't know if there different grades of M+S available on Skorpions
2nd Jan 2006 12:17 pm
bontempi
Member Since: 20 Dec 2005
Location: On location :)
Posts: 55
Quote:
Is the Scorpion Snow and Ice a different (winter) tyre from the standard Scorpion? I rather suspect so.
Eric
Yes, it uses a softer rubber compound that does not harden when the temperature drops. It also has very fine grooves in the tread to improve
grip on snow and ice.
Like all winter specific tires (tyres), it will be very "interesting" in warm weather, and high temperatures accelerate wear.
I think those of you that consider the summer (M+S) version a good winter
tire (tyre), should come to Sweden and try "real" winter tires (tyres) (with studs) on icy roads...
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