Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14195
See other Land Rover models were mentioned , will be interesting to see how the new defender rates
Least reliable model: Land Rover Discovery Sport (2014-present) - 59.3%
Least reliable model: Range Rover Evoque (2011-2019) - 61.7%
Surprised by the following as thought Tesla we supposed to be very good in the EV class
Most reliable model: Nissan Leaf (2011-2018) - 100%
Least reliable model: Tesla Model S (2014-present) - 66.2%
16th Dec 2021 5:35 pm
Minemapper
Member Since: 28 Apr 2021
Location: Yarm
Posts: 92
As the owner of both a Leaf and a D4, I like to think I'm splitting the difference.
The Leaf really has cost next to nothing to run for the last 4 years. I've put a set of rear brakes and a some tyres on it. Oh, and windscreen washer fluid.
16th Dec 2021 8:12 pm
Yargo
Member Since: 25 Dec 2020
Location: Europe
Posts: 326
Yeah, but do you actually love Leaf, do you enjoy driving it, do you get pleasure and those amazing feelings you get from LR? That`s the my friend
16th Dec 2021 8:41 pm
Minemapper
Member Since: 28 Apr 2021
Location: Yarm
Posts: 92
It is actually quite a fun little thing to drive. The instant torque is very effective up to 50mph. The weight of the batteries gives it a nicely damped ride, and since it’s the Tekna spec it has all the trimmings like leather heated seats and steering wheel. It also does about 90% of our local driving and at 7 years old still shows 100% battery health.
So I don’t enjoy it the same way I do the Discovery, but in its own way it is great.
17th Dec 2021 10:32 am
disco4ever
Member Since: 23 Dec 2013
Location: under the car
Posts: 404
I fully agree with the statistics. Owning an LR (4) you need to be pain resistant.
nothing wrong with the Leaf, but it is a large volume model compared to the LR4.
JLR are not gaining as much experience as large volume OEMs due to their low volume manufacturing. No economies of scale, no experience and even worse, not listening:)
Car dealerships are a nightmare, have no parts because all is stocked in Metz / France or coming from UK.
To some extend - once you have had a Mercedes or a Toyota or Mitsubishi SUV - you must be drunk or in foolish love to buy JLR.
Sorry guys, but thanks to this forum and its people and my foolish love I am owning a LR4. Totally irrational my wife is saying.Achim
own garage certified LR tech
Disco 2 TD5 MY 2001 - gone but still driven by another owner
Defender 110 TD5 driving me bananas with all faults
Disco 3 TDV 6 HSE MY 2005 gone @280.000 km
Disco 4 SDV 6 HSE MY 2012
17th Dec 2021 4:14 pm
grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6420
i had two discos so far and will never believein this
they never failed to deliver us to destination although had some failures like all other cars do
and what can replace D3/4? looked a lot found nothing ... and toyota still looks ugly as fuk
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17th Dec 2021 5:00 pm
nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1359
“……… and Toyota still looks ugly as fuk “ And drives even worse. Plonk a large caravan/trailer on the back and it’s verging on being dangerous!
I would not make excuses for JLR because they ought to be getting their act together now and sorting things out, and the majority of their dealerships appear to be diabolical, BUT you have to consider that the newest D4 is now five years old, with the oldest being twelve. Also, many will have worked for a living instead of being a fashion accessory.
17th Dec 2021 5:38 pm
Yargo
Member Since: 25 Dec 2020
Location: Europe
Posts: 326
grzesiul wrote:
and what can replace D3/4?
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Range Rover 8)
17th Dec 2021 5:39 pm
grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6420
crosses my mind every day
there is only one thing i really dislike about them which is the middle seat in second row:
17th Dec 2021 5:45 pm
grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6420
nigel207 wrote:
“……… and Toyota still looks ugly as fuk “ And drives even worse. Plonk a large caravan/trailer on the back and it’s verging on being dangerous!
I would not make excuses for JLR because they ought to be getting their act together now and sorting things out, and the majority of their dealerships appear to be diabolical, BUT you have to consider that the newest D4 is now five years old, with the oldest being twelve. Also, many will have worked for a living instead of being a fashion accessory.
I go pretty good main dealer in Ascot and few other garages who can pull of difficult jobs but truth is most of them are rubbish but not as bad as Mercedes ones i hear lol
17th Dec 2021 5:47 pm
Yargo
Member Since: 25 Dec 2020
Location: Europe
Posts: 326
grzesiul wrote:
crosses my mind every day
there is only one thing i really dislike about them which is the middle seat in second row:
They come in two seat version as well:
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17th Dec 2021 5:52 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23876
Yargo wrote:
grzesiul wrote:
and what can replace D3/4?
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Range Rover 8)
It works well for me, but I’ll not pretend it’s a versatile or practical as a D4. Nothing is though!
The FFRR makes up for it in other ways, especially if it’s a V8. The SDV8 average mpg is higher than my D4’s, which is a bonus.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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