The three most dependable auto brands in the U.S. are now Lexus, Porsche and Kia, according to a new J.D. Power study. The three least dependable are Jaguar, Alfa Romeo and Land Rover.
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Disco 3 TDV 6 HSE MY 2005 gone @280.000 km
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23rd Feb 2021 9:48 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Wasn’t there much whooping of joy a few years ago when LR moved from bottom to 3rd from bottom in the reliability tables?
23rd Feb 2021 9:52 am
kajtzu
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23rd Feb 2021 9:57 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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23rd Feb 2021 9:59 am
Moo D3 Decade
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Land Rover products come last in all of What Cars 5 year survey.
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New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
23rd Feb 2021 10:40 am
Pedros
Member Since: 25 Jun 2011
Location: Cumbria
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I think you have to take some factors into account when you compare reliability. Land Rovers offer cars that are dual purpose these days. They are a premium brand, which means lots of toys and lots of buttons. They also retain their ability to traverse all sorts of terrain better than most other offerings. Again, this comes with complicated systems and more buttons. It's a simple fact of life that things have the potential to go wrong, so the more "things" you have, the more things can go wrong. Want more reliability? Get a skate board.
In any case, vehicles in general are an awful lot more reliable than in the past. A simple vehicle such as an original Mini was vastly more unreliable than a Land Rover of today. (Cheaper to fix though.) So the gulf between the most reliable and the least reliable isn't really that big.
So, having said that (used up all the excuses) and acknowledging that Land Rovers of today are more reliable than they were 20 odd years ago, I'm surprised that LR don't attack their reliability issues with gusto. If I were the boss of Land Rover, I'd be telling them to over-engineer everything. Yes, there's a cost to that. But it is what is needed now.
Some may recall the VF750 motorcycle, a V4 engined motorbike produced by Honda. It proved about as reliable as a Michael Fish weather forecast and Honda's reputation suffered greatly in an area that Honda prided themselves on. So Honda withdrew it and introduced the VFR750. Over-engineered and ultra reliable. Made a fortune from it and it's derivative still sells today. Yet Land Rover produces cars that have suspension and brakes that inevitably over a period fail due to the size and weight of their vehicles. Go figure.
23rd Feb 2021 11:16 am
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
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I ran a VF750FD for a couple of years it was a good machine and we went everywhere on it.
It was something like my 10th Honda and I had had enough of camchain/camshaft issues, so bought a Kawasaki 1100 which promptly twisted the crank and holed a piston!
23rd Feb 2021 3:11 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 14159
Pedros wrote:
I think you have to take some factors into account when you compare reliability. Land Rovers offer cars that are dual purpose these days. They are a premium brand, which means lots of toys and lots of buttons. They also retain their ability to traverse all sorts of terrain better than most other offerings. Again, this comes with complicated systems and more buttons. It's a simple fact of life that things have the potential to go wrong, so the more "things" you have, the more things can go wrong. Want more reliability? Get a skate board.
In any case, vehicles in general are an awful lot more reliable than in the past. A simple vehicle such as an original Mini was vastly more unreliable than a Land Rover of today. (Cheaper to fix though.) So the gulf between the most reliable and the least reliable isn't really that big.
So, having said that (used up all the excuses) and acknowledging that Land Rovers of today are more reliable than they were 20 odd years ago, I'm surprised that LR don't attack their reliability issues with gusto. If I were the boss of Land Rover, I'd be telling them to over-engineer everything. Yes, there's a cost to that. But it is what is needed now.
Some may recall the VF750 motorcycle, a V4 engined motorbike produced by Honda. It proved about as reliable as a Michael Fish weather forecast and Honda's reputation suffered greatly in an area that Honda prided themselves on. So Honda withdrew it and introduced the VFR750. Over-engineered and ultra reliable. Made a fortune from it and it's derivative still sells today. Yet Land Rover produces cars that have suspension and brakes that inevitably over a period fail due to the size and weight of their vehicles. Go figure.
It would also help if LR addressed their customer service and dealer network. It would have a positive impact on perception.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
23rd Feb 2021 4:58 pm
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6643
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