ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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Just had a set of Grabber AT3s fitted at the local tyre depot yesterday.
Despite always telling fitters what the torque & pressures are, invariably they always come out wrong (as I always check myself at the first opportunity).
And yesterday was no exception, as soon as I started the D4, the TPMS warning came on.
So as it was peeing down all day, I just checked them now.
Tyre pressures: 32.5, 33.5, 33.5,35.
Wheel nut torque: I've got an 18" torque bar and nearly had to stand on it to free most nuts, other nuts were under torque, whilst some were there or there about!
Pity the person how has to try and undo the nuts (in an emergency situation) with the standard wheel brace!
(I always carry my Torque wrench with me in the D4)
So word of warning, always check your nuts & pressures after a visit to these establishment. ...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
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If by torque bar you mean torque wrench, then standing on it wont do it any favours.
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| 18th Jul 2019 9:07 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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I use a small family owned and run tyre business in Bristol. They use air guns, but hand tighten all wheel nuts with a torque wrench and their pressure gauges are accurate, I do check.
One of the several reasons why they have a very loyal and long standing customer base. 
Sadly I suspect that they are much the exception though.  2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 18th Jul 2019 9:11 am |
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ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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lynalldiscovery wrote:If by torque bar you mean torque wrench, then standing on it wont do it any favours.
I didn't say I stood on the torque bar [wrench] I said I "nearly had to stand on it".
But thanks for the advice. ...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
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| 18th Jul 2019 9:30 am |
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philm
Member Since: 02 Oct 2016
Location: Manchester
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I've watched them with torque wrenches after they have used the gun, I've never seen one adjust the wrench, so all cars/vans must be same torque on the nuts/bolts.  L633 Defender
Range Rover Velar-gone
Discovery 4 Landmark-gone
Gap IID Tool
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| 18th Jul 2019 9:42 am |
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Lazylen
Member Since: 03 Sep 2018
Location: Rochford
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You will rarely see them actually finish the tightening with the Torque wrench as they have normally already buzzed it way past it's required torque with the air gun anyway and the Torque wrench just clicks when they try to tighten. They then walk away in the belief they have done their job to the book when in fact they've either stretched your stud or pushed the Nut into the soft Alloy wheel
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| 18th Jul 2019 12:15 pm |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Here
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I do the whole process myself 
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| 18th Jul 2019 12:55 pm |
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adam
Member Since: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Home and Happy
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LT wrote:I use a small family owned and run tyre business in Bristol. They use air guns, but hand tighten all wheel nuts with a torque wrench and their pressure gauges are accurate, I do check.
One of the several reasons why they have a very loyal and long standing customer base.
Sadly I suspect that they are much the exception though.
Ditto - Local place near me, absolutely superb service, always correct torque (no air gun, proper wrench) and pressure.
Wouldn’t contemplate going elsewhere. Now Golf GTI PP, 7 speed DSG.
Ex D3 and D4
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| 18th Jul 2019 12:55 pm |
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Kelvo
Member Since: 07 Aug 2015
Location: Perth WA
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If it makes you feel any better, Australian one’s are just as bad. For some reason they always use 40Psi front and rear for any 4x4/Ute.
I always put the spare in the boot and tell them I’ll fit it back in place, and tell them not to use the tyre wall black coating that ends up sprayed down the side of the car 5 minutes down the road.
First thing I do when I get home is to loose then torque all the wheel nuts and set the pressures I want. MY14 TDV6
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| 18th Jul 2019 1:09 pm |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Here
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Nothing Wrong with "Buzz" guns as long as you
1-Hand start the (Nuts / Bolts)
2-Use a Torque limiting bar on the gun
3-Do not use gun on locking nuts
4-Then final Torque up with wrench (Hand)
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| 18th Jul 2019 1:14 pm |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
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ronp wrote:lynalldiscovery wrote:If by torque bar you mean torque wrench, then standing on it wont do it any favours.
I didn't say I stood on the torque bar [wrench] I said I "nearly had to stand on it".
But thanks for the advice.
Advice is free so no worries
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| 18th Jul 2019 1:51 pm |
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mattgreen
Member Since: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Worksop
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My local one here in Worksop are good (we're new to the area) - I checked the torque and it was about right within 1Nm or so. This is after I'd had to take it in because a combination of corroded/expanded nuts and massively over-torqued nuts meant that even with all the force I could muster on the extended wrench it was starting to A) round off and B) twist the forged end of the wrench - goodness knows what actual torque it was tightened to?!?
I've just swapped all 4 wheels to my off-road set this morning myself and they were a dream to remove for the first time ever!
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| 19th Jul 2019 8:46 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
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Location: UK
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LT wrote:I use a small family owned and run tyre business in Bristol. They use air guns, but hand tighten all wheel nuts with a torque wrench and their pressure gauges are accurate, I do check.
One of the several reasons why they have a very loyal and long standing customer base.
Sadly I suspect that they are much the exception though.
Ditto. I use one in Corsham, Corsham Tyres. Proper mechanics and tyre fitters. They also understand customer service. Maybe LR could learn a thing or two from them. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 19th Jul 2019 9:21 am |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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Ken wrote:I do the whole process myself
And I’ve never seen anyone so precise. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 19th Jul 2019 9:36 am |
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jonno1
Member Since: 16 Jun 2010
Location: SW London
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Ken wrote:Nothing Wrong with "Buzz" guns as long as you
1-Hand start the (Nuts / Bolts)
2-Use a Torque limiting bar on the gun
3-Do not use gun on locking nuts
4-Then final Torque up with wrench (Hand)
Exactly how they do it at AJS.
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| 21st Jul 2019 6:27 pm |
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