When I had bodsys at ours he had the same issue I think and if I recall got the lot done by JLR
He may come along and explain how
He didn't have FLDSH I remember that bit but was full
5th Mar 2017 9:46 pm
Geoff at Drym
Member Since: 18 May 2015
Location: Cornwall
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There are now loads of D3 owners who have changed their oil pumps to the later, stronger version. If they had not done so, how many more broken engines would there have been?
LR stating that they are not aware of the problem is absolutely staggering! 2007 Disco3 2.7 tdv6 SE
gvif with reversing camera
V8 brakes with new EPB module and shoes
Later D4 grille
Alive tuning remap
Mazda MX5
Ferguson ted20 tractor
Hyundai Getz 1.4 (wife's )
6th Mar 2017 12:28 pm
JMack
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What do Jaguar say about the problem?
And maybe more importantly Peugeot/Citroen?
Or is it just Land Rovers that are affected?
6th Mar 2017 7:32 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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And Ford, the engine is built by them.
6th Mar 2017 7:42 pm
DN D3 Decade
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Geoff at Drym wrote:
LR stating that they are not aware of the problem is absolutely staggering!
............Yep I totally agree, LR obviously have a large number of profoundly dishonest employees, good reason, I think, to never touch the brand again D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
6th Mar 2017 7:49 pm
moorman
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As this engine has been in production since 2004 and placed in a variety of vehicles - Peugeot, Citroen, Jaguar and Land Rover. It appears that the 'failed oil pump' engine are of the 2007-2008 area in Land Rover only. So what design of pump was fitted prior to the failed oil pump group. If it was different in the early group of vehicles why an earth did Ford change the design and why have there been no or few failures in non Land Rover vehicles? For those who are unsure of the difference in pumps the pictures below show secondly the weakened pump housing and the first one is the later strengthened version.
Apologies to those who are familiar.
6th Mar 2017 8:54 pm
garrycol
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Location: Canberra
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Also - the failure generally does not occur until the timing belts are changed. Oil pumps fitted at engine manufacturer seem Ok (there has been the rare exception) but when the timing belt is changed it is after this action that the pump housing fails.
Fatique in the housing? Overtorquing the bolts for the tensioner? Stronger tensioners? Ham fisted mechanics? Who knows.
There are also Ford vehicles fitted with the TDV6 and they do not have the issue though their engines are fitted with the later stronger oil pump housing at manufacture.
Garry
6th Mar 2017 11:57 pm
moorman
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Are the timing belt tensioner bolts coated with threadlock at manufacture (most bolts seem to acquire the stuff when the vehicles are built), if so then the torque required to undo the bolt could be considerably more than the boss was designed for and therefore stress cracks are introduced which later on develop and boss lets go. Still would like to see a picture of the very early oil pump that doesn't appear to suffer from this problem to compare with later versions. Anybody know who makes the oil pump housing for Ford or do they make their own?
7th Mar 2017 10:25 am
garrycol
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I have a genuine Ford (not Landrover) oil pump here and it has the FoMoCo emblem cast into the oil pump housing so I assume it is Ford made.
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More worringly, the earlier (05/06) pumps are beginning to have issues too, so it would seem no 2.7 is safe from a broken casing with the older design My D3 Build Thread
It's a Ford pump that is fitted to the LR and the Citroen/Peugeot/Jaguar 2.7 tdv engines. Your photo is of the later modified pump. (But you already know that, I'm sure ) That's a good clear picture of the modified pump.2007 Disco3 2.7 tdv6 SE
gvif with reversing camera
V8 brakes with new EPB module and shoes
Later D4 grille
Alive tuning remap
Mazda MX5
Ferguson ted20 tractor
Hyundai Getz 1.4 (wife's )
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7th Mar 2017 5:40 pm
garrycol
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No - this is the pump made by Ford to go into Ford 2.7 TDV6 vehicles (Ford Territory) - the LR, Citroen/Peugot/Jaguar pump does not have the FoMoCo casting in it. There also very minor differences in the casting.
Also the genuine Ford oil pump from the Ford dealer is 1/3 the price of the genuine Landrover version from the Landrover Dealer.
The Ford Territory never had the earlier oil pump housing on their engines - hence they are a good cheap source of the TDV6 engine to go into dead Landrovers.
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Erm - The Citroen pump supplied for my 2.7 tdv 6 has the FoMoCo stamp in the casting. The 2.7 tdv 6 is the Ford Lion engine as fitted to LR Citroen Peugeot Jaguar etc. as well as your local Territory. It's basically the same engine.
The original 'bad' pump from my LR was originally replaced with a Bearmach unit, but this was discarded as it was prone to an oil leak at the crankshaft seal. Hence the reason in fitting the genuine FoMoCo part.
Here in the UK I believe you'll find that all the LR pumps are FoMoCo.
That's how I find the situation anyway. 2007 Disco3 2.7 tdv6 SE
gvif with reversing camera
V8 brakes with new EPB module and shoes
Later D4 grille
Alive tuning remap
Mazda MX5
Ferguson ted20 tractor
Hyundai Getz 1.4 (wife's )
8th Mar 2017 11:13 am
Ringostarr
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I have a 2007 commercial Discovery 3, i have no history with it, but the engine cover is marked as having (Timing Belts & service @ 201911 Km) it now has 260000 km's on it, should i be worried, i serviced it last @ 250000kms, oil air and diesel filter,Dicovery 3 (Rimini Red)
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Toyota Hilux Crewcab (Dark Steel)
Toyota lc 120 (Silver)
8th Mar 2017 12:32 pm
mechtrev
Member Since: 05 Mar 2017
Location: N Notts
Posts: 70
vin check
Mine is 07 reg where can I check the VIN number to see if mine needs replacing, been advised today that it does as 07 seem to be the worst years. Full service history at main dealers with belts done @ 97,000 now done 132,000, no mention of new oil pump.
Been reading posts, that there is a Vin check table on here somewhere but can't seem to find it.
Only just bought it 3 weeks ago so still looking for fai
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lings.
Thanks for any help anyone willing to give.
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