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Engine Failures
Well my TDV6 engine in my 2007 LR3 seized at 310K kms. Crankshaft shattered. I've had the vehicle since new, full service history, maintained by dealership and my local LR specialists. No explanation for the failure - except it's high mileage. Replaced it with a low mileage second hand engine, installed for €9K. Now at 360K kms the turbo and air suspension compressor have failed (and a battery that has lasted 10 years). Starting to cost me a lot of money but hell it's been an enjoyable ride. Hoping to make 500K kms or even better, to be buried in my Disco3
so for those of you panicking about 130K/160K kms - relax, you've still got a lot of hassle-free mileage ahead of you.
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11th Feb 2017 10:13 pm
UtilityGuy
Member Since: 26 Mar 2016
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is The only real way to reduce this problem is to get your oil changed every 6k miles ?
12th Feb 2017 4:08 am
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I doubt it makes any difference. I'm at over 200,000 miles and service at recommended intervals.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
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12th Feb 2017 10:27 am
robpenrose
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That seems the issue with the engine failures. No one really understands what causes it, so cant mitigate against it.
Early oil changes will never hurt though!
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12th Feb 2017 11:19 am
blekso
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
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Crankshaft bearing failure Land Rover Discovery 4 3,0(2012)
Hello,
Our family Land Rover Discovery 4 broke down last week I parked the car at the resturant to grab a quick hamburger to go and when I came back a few mintues later and started the car and it suddenly made these strange sounds. The engine made a loude rumbling / knocking noise, it felt like the engine was on steorids. (no waring lights turned on during the event or before the event) I read that some other people experienced this as well. There is no other better words to decribe this. I immediately called the tow truck and sent it away to my licensed cardealer ship for Land Rovers.
They contacted me a few days later and told me that I was very unlucky and that the car was out of oil so the engine broke....?? They said that the seal around the chrankshaft probably broke immediately without any warning and thats probably why the light dident have time to turn on? So they told me that I could buy a new engine to the car and it would cost betweenn 20 000 - 35 000 pounds with fitting, but I should be prepared to pay up to 35 000 pounds. The car is worth about 35 000 pounds... I almost start cyring. They told me it was no idea to contact LR beacuse I was just very very very unlucky... The insurance told me that they couldent help me because it just passed the miles but they told me to do some research because it sounded very strange and beacuse it happend that fast so i did!
A few days later I started to do some research online and found that other car owners had expericed the same problem and I also found the bulletin SSM71816.
I have no idea what is going to happen now but I am wondering if more people are sitting in the same boat as me or if you have been in the same boat, what happend???
I have already found to other people with this problem.
I dont use pounds as a currency in my country, I just wrote it so you guys get a picture of how much money it actually cost.
About the car:
My Rover Discovery 4 3,0 (Manufactured summer 2012)
120 889 Kilometers
All services and repairs have been done at a licensed Land Rover dealership. Its been very well taken care of.
Lastes information about the car:
2016 - November : Crank Postion Sensor
2017 - End of february: Change of MAF Sensor
I dont know if the latest information is relevant.
21st Mar 2017 6:30 pm
Pete K
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I suspect they are lying about it being out of oil.
As you have full landrover service history it will be worth contacting them.
You MAY get them to pay half to £
An engine of that age should not break.
21st Mar 2017 7:44 pm
Robert SausageTrousers
Member Since: 09 Aug 2015
Location: Cornwall
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My crank went at 82k miles, I was told a new engine fitted at Land Rover would be around £18,000, so £35,000 seems way too expensive (Frankly, £18,000 is ridiculous enough!).
Land Rover themselves were not very helpful at all with me, they told me that due to the mileage and the age of the car (2010, 82k) they weren't prepared to offer any financial help. They were also quite rude/passive aggressive/condescending to me whenever I contacted them, they were very pushy about getting me to resolve the issue so that they could close the case.
I approached my local Land Rover dealer who were very helpful despite me not buying the car from them, they contacted Land Rover for me and instantly managed to secure me a 20% discount on the bill for a new engine fitted.
So my advice would be to approach your local Land Rover dealer and ask them to take up the fight for you, I would imagine that you will still have a large bill, but anything is better than nothing! I would also strongly question the price you've been quoted for a new fitted engine. In the U.K engines direct from Land Rover are in the region of £13,000, and the fitting charge at Land Rover dealers is around £5,000.
Good luck!
21st Mar 2017 9:12 pm
Pete K
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20% is probably just a trade price?
Even if the dealer took the hit on 20% they would still make a nice profit on it
21st Mar 2017 9:16 pm
Robert SausageTrousers
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Absolutely.
21st Mar 2017 9:27 pm
blekso
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Sweden
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Thank you, Unfortunately I live in Sweden were they salaries are very high. I understand that its to much but I will have a look.
21st Mar 2017 9:40 pm
Robert SausageTrousers
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Location: Cornwall
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I would imagine that you would be able to have the car transported to the UK and fixed here and it would still be cheaper than paying £35,000!
21st Mar 2017 10:42 pm
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robpenrose wrote:
That seems the issue with the engine failures. No one really understands what causes it, so cant mitigate against it.
Early oil changes will never hurt though!
I'm pretty sure that the reason is the bearing rotation, not issues on the crankshaft designDiscovery 5 tdv6 HSE Corris Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition IID Pro MV License
22nd Mar 2017 12:08 am
UtilityGuy
Member Since: 26 Mar 2016
Location: Northampton
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Why not get another engine and get it swapped out.
22nd Mar 2017 2:55 am
Nodge68
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dgardel wrote:
robpenrose wrote:
That seems the issue with the engine failures. No one really understands what causes it, so cant mitigate against it.
Early oil changes will never hurt though!
I'm pretty sure that the reason is the bearing rotation, not issues on the crankshaft design
From the reports I've read from various sources. Crank failure is a secondary failure mode to main bearing rotation. This results in oil starvation to the affected main and the rod bearing that main bearing feeds. What is causing the bearings to rotate is what needs investigating. Now we know that D3 bearings don't have tangs, but that's not the reason they turn. All shell bearings are held firm by a "crush" fit in the caps. The tangs are simply there for location in manufacture. So the crush is easing off in service, allowing bearing rotation.
There are two things that I see are of interest.
1 what is causing the bearing crush to ease, allowing rotation and subsequent oil starvation.
2 why is the crankshaft so fragile that it can't stay in one piece with a failed couple of bearings. At least long enough for the driver to notice an unusual noise.
Crank failure that is a result of bearing failure is a relatively new thing.
In days gone by, bearing failure was simply accompanied by the oil pressure light coming on and a vibration in the engine, or total seizure. Engines could go on for thousands of miles with rumbling bearings, without cranks breaking. Even when a bearing seized, the cranks never broke.
Lots of investigation is needed, but I suspect the true reason will never be fully known.Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
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I parked the car at the resturant to grab a quick hamburger to go and when I came back a few mintues later and started the car and it suddenly made these strange sounds. The engine made a loude rumbling / knocking noise, it felt like the engine was on steorids. (no waring lights turned on during the event or before the event) I read that some other people experienced this as well. There is no other better words to decribe this. I immediately called the tow truck and sent it away to my licensed cardealer ship for Land Rovers.
