Scott_Fred
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
Location: Granada
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Hi,
I am about to replace oil in V8 D3 4.4 Petrol.
I see the oil spec is 5w30 which is easy to find here in Spain but I am struggling to get a match on the full specification of ACEA A1/A3
I can buy a CEPSA product which is 5w30, ACEA A1/B1-12,,, API SL / CF,,, ACEA A5/B5-12
https://www.cepsa.es/stfls/comercial/FICHE...W30_v2.pdf
But that doesn't match exactly what LR spec is of API GF3, API SJ or SL ACEA A1/A3
http://lr-club.com/index.php?act=attach&am...p;id=24860
So is the ACEA A1/B1 equivalent to ACEA A1/A3? I assume both numbers need to match but perhaps that isn't the case?
Would appreciate any help.
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 24th Aug 2018 11:04 am |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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I don't think the jag engines are too fussy.
No, both number don't need to match.
As long as it has A1 or A3 in the name somewhere its fine
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| 24th Aug 2018 11:10 am |
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Scott_Fred
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
Location: Granada
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Thanks for your reply Pete, that really helps as there's more choice if only one of the numbers need to match.
On another point, I just learned that the 30 in 5w30 relates to warm weather temperatures.
Should I be concerned with using a 5w30 when I am in Southern Spain and the temperatures get quite hot in Summer, would a 5w40 be better in this case? Or even 10w40?
Cheers
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| 24th Aug 2018 11:17 am |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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your owners manual should give guidance as to the ambient temperature v thickness.
Usually a diagram with arrows. or maybe they stopped that in modern manuals.
I would stick to 5W30
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| 24th Aug 2018 11:19 am |
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Scott_Fred
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
Location: Granada
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OK, thanks... I don't have the handbook for the car so doing a bit of Google!
Just noticed, the CEPSA 5w30 oil is fully synthetic, whereas the LR spec seems to relate to semi-synthetic.
I can't find any semi synthetic at 5w30 rating.. only synthetic.
I assume synthetic is ok, just overkill? Would rather put in overkill for sure, specially considering the age of the car.
Thanks for your prompt replies, really helpful for me.
Cheers
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| 24th Aug 2018 11:38 am |
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Charliecloud
Member Since: 31 Jul 2014
Location: Tonbridge
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When my last service was done the LR garage used 5W 30 fully synthetic - low ash. Not sure what low ash actually means.
Fully synthetic will be fine. 
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| 24th Aug 2018 11:48 am |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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should be fully synthetic
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| 24th Aug 2018 1:40 pm |
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SafariDave
Member Since: 19 Nov 2011
Location: NYC & LA
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Castrol 5W30 Ultraclean is the proper oil, it's a semi synth. The 4.4 engines were not built for full synth.
110K miles and going strong.
Dave D3 2005 V8 SE Bonatti Grey "The Rhino" (our NYC D3)
De-tangoed Headlights, D4 2016 Style Black Pack Grille, D4 19" Wheels/ Bridgestone Alenza
D3 2005 V8 SE Bonatti Grey, D4 2016 Style Black Pack Grille (our LA D3)
D2 1999 V8 SD7 Chawton White (our Caribbean Beach truck)
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| 24th Aug 2018 3:13 pm |
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Scott_Fred
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
Location: Granada
Posts: 125
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Quote:Castrol 5W30 Superclean
Anyone know if there is an equivalent of this in Spain? Can't seem to find it available with that name.
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| 24th Aug 2018 4:43 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Do they have Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF 5W-30? Alternatively Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30?
I use the first one which is what the Shell selector recommends as the primary choice. While it is ACEA A5/B5, it meets both STJLR.03.5003 and Ford WSS-M2C913-C (which replaces A and B). Data sheet here http://tdc.ge/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/H..._5W-30.pdf
I change at 10000 km or 12 months.
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| 24th Aug 2018 5:36 pm |
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Scott_Fred
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
Location: Granada
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Quote:Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF 5W-30
Yeh, can get that Shell Helix but it's fully synthetic. The previous poster warned me off fully synthetic so I was looking for a semi synthetic 5w30, which seems to be hard if not impossible to get.
I then read some conflicting advice about the semi-synthetic vs synthetic, ranging from fully synthetic is fine, just overkill, to people saying don't use anything other than semi when semi is recommended by Manufacturer.
To be honest, a bit confused with what to do. I don't have an opinion at all as I am totally ignorant regarding oils.
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| 24th Aug 2018 6:27 pm |
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SafariDave
Member Since: 19 Nov 2011
Location: NYC & LA
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Castrol GTX ULTRACLEAN 5W-30 Motor Oil
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-GTX-ULT...mp;veh=sem D3 2005 V8 SE Bonatti Grey "The Rhino" (our NYC D3)
De-tangoed Headlights, D4 2016 Style Black Pack Grille, D4 19" Wheels/ Bridgestone Alenza
D3 2005 V8 SE Bonatti Grey, D4 2016 Style Black Pack Grille (our LA D3)
D2 1999 V8 SD7 Chawton White (our Caribbean Beach truck)
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| 24th Aug 2018 6:31 pm |
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SafariDave
Member Since: 19 Nov 2011
Location: NYC & LA
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Scott_Fred wrote:Quote:Castrol 5W30 Superclean
Anyone know if there is an equivalent of this in Spain? Can't seem to find it available with that name.
i meant ultra not super
Castrol GTX ULTRACLEAN 5W-30 Motor Oil D3 2005 V8 SE Bonatti Grey "The Rhino" (our NYC D3)
De-tangoed Headlights, D4 2016 Style Black Pack Grille, D4 19" Wheels/ Bridgestone Alenza
D3 2005 V8 SE Bonatti Grey, D4 2016 Style Black Pack Grille (our LA D3)
D2 1999 V8 SD7 Chawton White (our Caribbean Beach truck)
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| 24th Aug 2018 6:34 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Scott_Fred wrote:Quote:Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF 5W-30
Yeh, can get that Shell Helix but it's fully synthetic. The previous poster warned me off fully synthetic so I was looking for a semi synthetic 5w30, which seems to be hard if not impossible to get.
I then read some conflicting advice about the semi-synthetic vs synthetic, ranging from fully synthetic is fine, just overkill, to people saying don't use anything other than semi when semi is recommended by Manufacturer.
To be honest, a bit confused with what to do. I don't have an opinion at all as I am totally ignorant regarding oils.
European vehicles with 4.4l V8: 5W-30 WSS-M2C913-B preferred. If not available 5W-30 ACEA A1/A3 or API SJ or SL.
NAS/Japan vehicles with 4.4l V8: 5W-30 WSS-M2C205-A (ILSAC GF-3)
I don’t consider myself a subject matter expert on oil so I go with what the brand recommends.
The WSS stuff is actually licensed by Ford to the oil manufacturers - they don’t have the right to state that without the license.
Edit: Opie oils which is a site sponsor has 9 fully synthetic oils and one semi, all matching the spec. https://www.opieoils.co.uk/f/2354/915/2005/engine-oil.aspx
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| 24th Aug 2018 6:48 pm |
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pagoda
Member Since: 13 Aug 2009
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SafariDave wrote:Scott_Fred wrote:Quote:Castrol 5W30 Superclean
Anyone know if there is an equivalent of this in Spain? Can't seem to find it available with that name.
i meant ultra not super
Castrol GTX ULTRACLEAN 5W-30 Motor Oil
After some pretty extensive research on the E Coast, I now use Royal Purple 5W30 high mileage oil. 2 years in and I have no complaints whatsoever. It's well reviewed and exceeds the standards.
However,, if the OP is in the UK, this info is utterly useless, since I don't think you can get it there! PAGODA
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