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Who are these "commoners", and how is there livelihood affected by off-roaders?
And what cause and effect has been demonstrated between dead animals found at this site and off road driving as linked by the official in the press release. Might as well say that several people contracted flu after visiting a site frequented by off raod vehicles.
Not that I condone illegal use of course. I just hate the people who write jingoistic press releases which are thinly veiled propaganda promoting their own agenda.There are two rules for success,
1. Never tell everything you know.
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21st Apr 2015 4:38 pm
Mogwyth
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Re: Off-roaders fined
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Let's forget about the 150 years that the Blaenavon landscape was raped and pillaged by mine works and slag heaps
The Blaenavon landscape constitutes an exceptional illustration in material form of the social and economic structure of 19th-century industry. The area around the Blaenavon ironworks provides an extraordinarily comprehensive picture of the South Wales coal and iron industry in its heyday in the 19th and early 20th centuries, when it was one of the world's largest iron and steel producers. All the necessary elements can be seen in situ : coal and ore mines, quarries, a primitive railway system, furnaces, the homes of the workers, and the social infrastructure of their community.
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21st Apr 2015 5:59 pm
Mogwyth
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Madrilleno wrote:
Who are these "commoners", and how is there livelihood affected by off-roaders?
Amongst other things they have grazing rights over common land and illegal 4x4 activity ie driving off piste can cause serious damage to grazing land.==================================
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21st Apr 2015 6:07 pm
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So does that mean they will not drive their quad bikes and other 4x4 on the land to round up their animals? I have seen many many farmers make more of a mess of a piece of land with vehicles and machinery whilst tending to their animals than good off roaders doMY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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21st Apr 2015 6:11 pm
Mogwyth
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Well they are not very good farmers then and good off-roaders tend to stick to where they are allowed to go. I have personal experience of the bad type, they are looking for the sort of challenge responsible off-roaders seek on pay & play sites and unlike farmers rounding up stock will drive over the same bit of boggy ground time and time again, it took over two years for some land my sister has grazing rights over to recover after illegal off-road activity.==================================
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21st Apr 2015 6:32 pm
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@ Russell - I think you've hit the nail on the head there. "Good off roaders" are never a problem but then again good off-roaders would never go off piste.
Speaking as a farmer, I know the lengths I go to to prevent unecessarry damage to my land (grass is a crop and needs management don't forget) to maximise yeild for animal fodder. Yes, I take my quad on the land during the wet season but never anything else unless it cannot be avoided. A quad, ridden well, leaves very little disturbance of the crop, even in the wettest parts whereas a 4x4 never fails to make a mess in the wet.
Off-roading is a leisure activity - it is not a necessity. Having a nice garden / lawn etc is nice but again isn't a necessity. Providing food / making a living is a necessity. How many would be happy with these off-roaders driving across their lawn for no other reason than personal pleasure?
Top & bottom - anyone who goes off road without permission knows they are doing so illegally. If they are caught then they should be prosecuted.
I don't mean to be antagonistic but many people don't understand the significance of the grass they see in fields and on our hills. The ratio of animals to area is a fine line to tread. I therefore have to presume they believe farmers should take stock off the land so they can destroy their share of available fodder?
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