mattm
Member Since: 13 Apr 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
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Im finding that when driving (especially on rough tracks slowly) I get quite a bit of 'feedback' through the steering wheel. i.e. if I was to let go, it would steer itself into a ditch if I went in a pothole.
Is this 'normal'? Its not like I have to fight it, but I would have though for a big 4x4, it would just cruise on through any unevenness without having to 'tell' me if you get my meaning.
My gf's rav 4 does not seem to feedback the same through the steering wheel and its strating to get a bit annoying.
Its had new front and rear upper wishbones/bushes, new top front balljoint, new ARB bushes and new inner and outter tie rods less than 5k ago.
The shocks I think are on their way out so could be a contributing issue, but its almost like the PAS is not resisting the movement of the wheels caused by terrain than it should. Steering is not unduly heavy.
I do have a lower column which I am thinking of fitting soon. Would a PAS fluid transfusion help?
Thanks for your help.
Matt
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 17th Feb 2015 2:01 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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What size tyres? - wide and lower profile don't help.
Did it have four wheel alignment done after the suspension components where fitted? It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 17th Feb 2015 2:19 pm |
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DiscoJake
Member Since: 23 Aug 2013
Location: Hereford
Posts: 1429
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Watching this with interest as have exactly the same issue, rough tracks are a nightmare as it wants to steer all over the shop and feel every bump back through the wheel.
I've had front lower arms and a steering rack changed and full alignment which has made it a bit better but not great.
Only thing left for me is the lower column, I did suggest this before the warranty garage changed the rack but they knew better 
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| 17th Feb 2015 3:04 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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I replaced my lower column shaft a few months back, on taking the column off I just could not see any difference between new and old, but the improvement in the steering mainly wandering was unbelievable. I would suggest to anybody thinking of changing the lower shaft to check the torque on the shaft coupling bolts first and lubricate the universal joint at the bottom before changing.
I was really thinking of putting my original back on because I just could not see any signs of wear. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 17th Feb 2015 4:08 pm |
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Nodge68
Member Since: 05 Sep 2014
Location: Newquay
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I'd rather have decent feedback though the steering instead of none any day. That's something I like with the D3. You can literally feel what the tyres are up to.
My last proper 4X4 was Japanese with no feedback whatsoever. Off road it was ok traction wise but you couldn't feel what the wheels were doing.
I know which vehicle I'd rather be in. Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
D3 TDV6. Gone.
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| 17th Feb 2015 4:11 pm |
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mattm
Member Since: 13 Apr 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 122
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It had a proper 4 wheel alignment done, and then redone after a few miles of settling in. Its running General Grabbers 18"?? (standard wheel size cant remember if its 18's or 19's).
I get your point Nodge, However I think there is a limit, and it depends on what car Im driving.
I want my D3 to just cruise in and out of work in and float across the 1km of forestry track that I live up.
My 1975 Scimitar however is a different beast and I've always loved the feel you get from older cars.
I'll have a go at replacing the lower column this weekend and report back.
Thanks guys.
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| 17th Feb 2015 8:26 pm |
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Evenw
Member Since: 08 May 2013
Location: Oslo
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I had mine travelling very quickly and quite hard to either side depending on what was on the one side or the other...abd explanation.....but like "tracky" road, uneven surface etc, had a 4wheel aligment and the wheels was quit off, fixed it, but still moving around. Change tires, and straight as a train.
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| 18th Feb 2015 11:42 pm |
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iand3
Member Since: 24 Apr 2013
Location: All over
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I too have this issue. I'd describe it as like being in strong winds all the time, mainly on uneven roads, its pretty good on smooth roads. I was thinking of getting the steering rack changed as its had most other things done, but perhaps its not that after all? I'd love to find the issue and get it right again.
Out of interest, if i swap my wheels to the 18's with michelin tyres. its even worse than the 19's with GGAT's!
Regards Current: D3 TDV6 S; GGAT's, DIY 7inch Tablet mount, DIY Reversing Camera, Stage 1 remap, EGR delete
Previous: Freelander TD4, D2 V8, D1 TDI, Series 3 Petrol plus Numerous performance cars!
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| 12th Mar 2015 1:09 pm |
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DiscoJake
Member Since: 23 Aug 2013
Location: Hereford
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mattm wrote:
I'll have a go at replacing the lower column this weekend and report back.
Thanks guys.
Did you have a go at changing the column after Matt?
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| 12th Mar 2015 4:35 pm |
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mattm
Member Since: 13 Apr 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 122
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Yes I did.
No help  still feedback and play in the rack.
I have replaced all the inner and outter joints, the upper wishbone ushes and ball joints, arb links and arb bushes and still get a bit of knock on bumps.
Garage suggested there is a bit of play in the rack. Would changing oil/grease help?
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| 22nd Jul 2015 9:38 pm |
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cos192000
Member Since: 19 Feb 2015
Location: Ploiesti
Posts: 65
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Anybody managed to get it sorted? I have the same problem currently and it's driving me crazy  . All shops, LR and indie, are saying everything is in perfect condition with suspension and steering components, alignment has been done by LR, yet the steering wheel moves and shakes with every bump or hole. This has started since I've changed the front lower arms bushings and it seems it got worse when I've switched form Wragler HPs to AT tyres, Toyo Open Country AT plus. One thing I've noticed is that if both wheels are going over the bump at the same time the steering wheel remains straight. Also speed seems too make it better although steering wheel still vibrates.
Any help would be very much appreciated. 
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| 22nd Dec 2016 10:21 pm |
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mattm
Member Since: 13 Apr 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 122
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Mine is getting very gradually worse i think.
TBH I think short of a new rack Im not sure what to do. I do know that my shocks are not what they were and really need replacing at some point so Im sure that's a contributing factor.
However your observation interests me. I had both front and rear upper wishbone bushes replaces about 30k ago. I did notice that for about a day the 'feedback' was greatly reduced to almost gone... then it came back to what it was before.
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| 22nd Dec 2016 10:39 pm |
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SafariDave
Member Since: 19 Nov 2011
Location: NYC & LA
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sounds like tires to me. The 18" Nitto Terra Grapplers I had where super smooth over holes on the road. The Cooper Zeons in 19" where horrible. The 19" Alenza's I have now are an in-between. Suspect tires.
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| 22nd Dec 2016 10:42 pm |
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mattm
Member Since: 13 Apr 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 122
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nah,
nothing to do with tyres. Its been the same with the GG AT's and Copper LTZ zeons (which are slightly better, but I think that's to do with the fact that they are bigger and therefore soak up more of the vibration/knock).
Its definitely a suspension/steering thing and worse at slow speed on large bumps/ uneven ground.
I flushed my PS fluid but no better.
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| 22nd Dec 2016 11:12 pm |
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cos192000
Member Since: 19 Feb 2015
Location: Ploiesti
Posts: 65
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Changed steering rack (inner tie rods included) less than a month ago based on a recommendation from an indie workshop. Toe alignment redone after that. No change whatsoever. Steering wheel still moves with every bump.
I don't think the shocks are a part of the issue, for me at least. Not directly anyway.
I also don't think the tyres are the main cause. The issue was present with the Wrangler HPs too, which were stock tyres. They seem to be contributing to the issue tough as it did get worse for me since fitting AT tyres which I believe are a bit heavier and harder.
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