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Christmas lights on dash and then no power
After meting up with a friend this morning to walk the dog I was singing the praises of my D4 and I how I love it and it's been great down to France etc. etc. .. Famous last words.
I'd driven 5 miles to him this morning around 6.30a.m. showed him the D4 and then we started up again on a short journey to walk hounds. 2 minutes into the journey the dash starts lighting up like a Christmas tree with warning messages ... Electronic stability not working....gearbox fault ....electronic handbrake not available ...message after message until finally I lose all power. Manage to limp it to the side of the road (much to the confusion of my mate following) and then stop and restart. Everything reset and appears to be ok but to be honest I'm not thrilled after having this happen less than a month into ownership... I've had cars stop for no apparent reason before and I hate it . Any members seen this behaviour or have any ideas or would it be worth getting West4x4 to take a look over.Stolen - D4 Loire Blue
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9th Sep 2014 7:23 am
Woolmeister
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Welcome to Land Rover ownership
I doubt Mark will be able to take a look at it for a month or so; he's always a very busy bloke but might be worth a call to him just in case.
First step would be to get your fault codes read. A number of us have fault code readers who would be willing to do this for you. I have an IIDTool and at least one other nearby has a Nanocom.
Could be any number of things but I suspect the brake light switch or a faulty wheel speed sensor. It's unfair to speculate at this point but fault codes first.
Let me know if I can help; I appear to be just down the road from you.
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9th Sep 2014 8:37 am
stick
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Have a look at the battery. If it is still the original, my money is on that being the problem. Early batteries on d4 were not up to the job. Put an AGM on. First cool morning...two short starts....d4 HSE
9th Sep 2014 8:55 am
Woolmeister
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Bear in mind that if you do put an AGM battery on it, you will need to tell the D4 that you've fitted an AGM battery. This would need to be done using a diagnostic tool like a Nanocom, MSV2 or IIDTool.
FWIW, I'm still on my original battery in my D3. 7.5 years old and 111k miles now.
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9th Sep 2014 9:04 am
stick
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Hi Steve
I think that either the d4 needs more power, or they just put rubbish batteries on the early ones. Many tales of woe last winter, and the winter before, so only lasted 3 years.
I put an AGM on last year, and haven't told the car. I assume it is probably not charging quite as efficiently, but it certainly doesn't seem to be a problem....
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9th Sep 2014 9:07 am
geoff.
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get fault codes read
battery,alternator,and a host of other things including a falling crank sensor seen it before
9th Sep 2014 9:21 am
Famousfive
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Woolmeister wrote:
Welcome to Land Rover ownership
Let me know if I can help; I appear to be just down the road from you.
Steve
Hi all, thanks for the support and info, fingers crossed it'll be a combo of cold morning and short journeys that has triggered this.
Steve, thank you, getting the fault codes read sounds like a great start. You are right i'm just down the road in Bassett and kids go to North Baddesley / Romsey so I'm always up your way. If you can PM me a good time (I work from home mostly so can come over whenever is good for you). I'll come armed with a bottle of red / white or beers to say thanks
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You have a PM, Nick.
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9th Sep 2014 9:54 am
Famousfive
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So I'm hoping this is the offending item. Just taken short journey at lunch and all fine but it has warmed up a bit! Going to meet up with Steve tomorrow to check battery and hopefully look at fault codes if tool allows.
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Just got back from Steve's - great guy and very helpful - thanks again Steve.
I'm thinking its battery as multimeter reading this morning before start-up was just under 12V and then when I got to Steve's around 12.5V.
Steve's IIDTool (these are fancy pieces of kit) read the following faults
ABS-Brake Module
• U0401-68 (A8 ) Invalid data received from engine control module/powertrain control module - Algorithm based failure - event information
IPC-Instrument Pack
• B1A85-96 (28 ) Ambient light sensor circuit - Component failure - internal failure
PBM-Parking Brake
• U0401-00 (28 ) Invalid data received from engine control module/powertrain control module
PCM-Engine SDV6
• P0571-68 (68 ) Brake switch A circuit - Algorithm based failure - event information
• P0504-62 (28 ) Brake switch A/B correlation - Algorithm based failure - signal compare failure
TCM-Transmission 6spd
• U0415-64 (28 ) Invalid data received from ABS control module - Algorithm based failure - signal plausibility failure
• P0826-62 (68 ) Up and down switch input circuit - Algorithm based failure - signal compare failure
So unless anyone things I've got a serious problem somewhere, the plan is to update battery - will speak to Steve at Advanced Factors about options and take things from there.
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Hope that solves your problem.
If you have a use for a 12v battery, don't throw the old one away. Plenty of life in it, just not enough for a d4. I have put mine on a MF135 and it has been fine on there for a year now. I don't know anything about electrics but seems to me that the d4 requires tip-top power all the time to function correctly.d4 HSE
10th Sep 2014 9:29 am
Woolmeister
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Good to meet you, too, Nick
A reading of just under 12v - first thing this morning - would indicate a very low state of charge (less than 50%):
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As the weather gets colder, it's only going to get worse. Your alternator seemed to be providing a healthy charge so I think a new battery should solve your problems.
I do still wonder, though, if your brake light switch is suspect:
Famousfive wrote:
PCM-Engine SDV6
• P0571-68 (68 ) Brake switch A circuit - Algorithm based failure - event information
• P0504-62 (28 ) Brake switch A/B correlation - Algorithm based failure - signal compare failure
Perhaps somebody more knowledgable than me could comment on those fault codes?
Hope a new battery sorts it out, Nick.
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10th Sep 2014 9:39 am
Famousfive
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Went down to see a nice man called Steve at Advanced Factors today and picked up a AGM Battery that I'll drop in with some re-coding assistance from Parallax33.
Fingers crossed this'll do the trick:
So fingers crossed that is everything sorted...but one last question.
Doing a side by side comparison on the nanocom tool between current and as-built we noticed that the electronic parking brake EPB (Manual Gearbox) was set to be ON when as built was OFF. As I have an autobox we set to OFF and surprise surprise it doesn't automatically come on as it used to when in Park and engine switched off (pretty obvious now).
Without trying to embarrass myself further I guess this needs to be set to ON or is there another setting I've missed?
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I can't answer your EPB question but did you check to see if any of the other faults we found last week made a reappearance?
Hope the new battery solves the problems.
Still curious about the brake light switch codes...
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. Any members seen this behaviour or have any ideas or would it be worth getting West4x4 to take a look over.
