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simonej
Member Since: 24 Aug 2014
Location: Wakefield
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| Problems x2: Gearbox whine and 'tramlining' |
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Hi all, I recently bought a 2009 D3 with the manual gearbox from a Land Rover dealer. It's a brilliant car and I love it, apart from a couple of problems.
1. On the motorway in lane 1 (and to some extent lane 2, depending on the state of the road) the car will follow any ruts in the road and 'tramline'. It basically feels like there's a 50knot wind blowing you about and on one occasion actually threw me from lane 1 into lane 2. The wife won't drive it on the motorway and I don't enjoy it particularly.
2. On acceleration, especially when going up a hill and putting the engine under load, there's a whine coming from the gearbox (I think it's the gearbox) between about 1800rpm and 2200rpm. The best way to explain the sound is like a straight cut gearbox, where it briefly makes that whining noise as the revs rise through 2000rpm.
It's been back to Land Rover for both of these and to be fair they've been pretty good about it. They carried out a full four wheel alignment but this hasn't really made any difference. Nothing was done about the whine as apparently these boxes are a bit 'agricultural' and 'they all do that, Sir'.
So, should I send it back again or are these traits that D3s have? I wouldn't say I've been fobbed off by the garage, but I'd say I was gently persuaded that nothing was wrong. The whine I can live with, the tramlining is genuinely dangerous, especially in those 50mph zones where you can be inches from the car next to you.
The tyres are Goodyear Wrangler on the front and brand new Nexens on the rear (not my choice!). I understand tyres can affect tramling so could that be an issue?
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 23rd Oct 2014 4:07 pm |
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Narpy
Member Since: 18 Jul 2011
Location: Stockport
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My D3 tramlined like a good un too until I replaced the inner track rods. 
You really need to diagnose the problem yourself if your local dealer is being unhelpful.
Jack up the front and check for play at the 12 Oclock and 6 Oclock positions of the front wheels. This will indicate if there's an issue with the wheel bearings. Next check the 3 and 9 Oclock positions. This indicates any play in the steering components.
My money is on the inner track control arms but you'll need to find out for certain.  Mods:
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| 23rd Oct 2014 5:39 pm |
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simonej
Member Since: 24 Aug 2014
Location: Wakefield
Posts: 103
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Thanks for the reply and suggestion.
It had new front lower wishbones (or whatever they're called on these) fitted when I bought it. Presumably that should rule out any suspension components and basically leave it with steering components and tyres?
The thing is, it's under warranty and, presumably, is still covered by the Sale of Goods Act as it's within three months. I was sort of assuming this should be a fault that they should be diagnosing and fixing, rather than me.
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| 23rd Oct 2014 5:51 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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Goodyear wranglers are notorious for tramlining when they are more than 50% worn, if they are, run the flat of your hand over the circumference of the tread feeling for steps in the tread, if there are any they will be felt in one particular direction, it is these flat spots that may be your problem both with tram-lining and noise.
Simple solution either swap front to back or side to side.
Next simple test for steering wear is with the engine running and stationary hold the steering wheel with one finger and thumb and very gently and lightly wobble the wheel, if the wheel moves more than 5mm without the road wheels moving you have got excessive wear some where in the linkage or lower steering shaft. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 23rd Oct 2014 6:53 pm |
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ROY_H
Member Since: 30 Jun 2014
Location: South Hams Devon
Posts: 368
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^^^^^ Totally agree !!! Had the same problem on my D2 ( 255/55_18s) until I replaced the Wranglers with Kuhmos at the time then later for GG AG2s. Neither of these tramlined anything like the Wranglers. Morris Dancers: Drinkers with A Dance Problem
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| 23rd Oct 2014 9:23 pm |
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simonej
Member Since: 24 Aug 2014
Location: Wakefield
Posts: 103
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Thanks guys. That's interesting about the Wranglers, but whenever I've had tramlining issues before it has been tyre related.
My main question is then;
As the car was bought recently, if it's the tyres that are causing it do I push for replacements under warranty or just accept that they're a consumable and it's my problem?
I'd actually quite like some 19" wheels from the newer D4s.....
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| 23rd Oct 2014 9:58 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
Posts: 8157
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No, take it back and tell he same as you have told us, it may not be the tyres that's the problem. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 24th Oct 2014 8:09 am |
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Gazellio
Member Since: 09 Jan 2011
Location: Chilterns
Posts: 4130
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Ideally You need all four tyres the same make and approx tread depth. D3 are very sensitive to mixing tyres and I am pretty sure a set of Pirelli Scorpians (or other suitable D3 tyre) would fix the issue.
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| 24th Oct 2014 8:47 am |
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