Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23337
I'm a fan of the FL2, even more so in later years. The FL1 had few redeeming features IMO. I suppose it's how you define the term "Classic". 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
24th Oct 2017 2:39 pm
professorpool
Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Woking
Posts: 3213
All the above?D3 07 SE - still going strong
D3 07 HSE - gone to car heaven
FL1 - gone to Romania
D3 05 HSE - gone to a divorce diet
D1 V8 manual - gone but not forgotten
RR Classic - gone to car heaven
Jeeps, Lexus, X-trails... Too many to name..
24th Oct 2017 2:42 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13079
FL2 is an excellent vehicle and would be something I'd buy if I hadn't been "ruined" by one of the big LRs. After a RRS / Disco / FFRR the FL2 feels rather ordinary with rather horrible steering.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
24th Oct 2017 8:20 pm
Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285
I broke my drought and spotted a new D5 on the road this week.
The back is not the problem, the front is, the driving lights cluster is terrible, it looks like a giant bull frog coming up the road.
Of the 4 I have seen (1 on the road, 3 at dealers), they look crap with the silver alloy wheels and the front and the back of the car don't relate to each other, it looks like two different cars joined together.
I checked out a dealer demo HSE with a black pack and 20" wheels and it looks OK, but the price was more than Porsche SUV
I did a walk around a SE model at my local LR dealer, it was $96k and it didn't impress me at all and looked very plain.
25th Oct 2017 12:00 am
comedyharvey
Member Since: 04 Jul 2010
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 1727
I agree about the front, though it gets far less criticism than the rear, to me it’s hideous. As you say, like some flattened toad.
The rear, though not great, will be significantly improved when they centralise the number plate, as I’m sure they will.
.Arthur.
Comedy was a horse, Harvey a dog, both sadly gone. Thought I was choosing a password!
Currently;
Discovery 3 HSE 2009
101" Fwd. Control 1976
Nuffield 10/90 Tractor (10/60 with 6 cylinder conversion) 1964
Member Since: 27 Nov 2009
Location: Vale of Glamorgan
Posts: 112
Worth going over to the dark side?
Have tested a D5 HSE- nice ride and certainly better than my current D4. I have 3 kids and variable amounts of luggage so the accommodation is fair though we have noticed the oddly low 2nd row seats. The XC90 won't accommodate our youngest's feet as there is a console in the way. What has impressed us a lot is the Mercedes GLS which is pretty gargantuan but more interestingly are the pretty insane discounts out there of £10-14k depending on spec. I guess they were pretty overpriced to start with, but with little bargaining power with LR and their cheek to hike prices up recently it looks like I can get an equivalent Merc product to a Disco HSE lux for the same money or slightly less. Anyone had experience with GLS re ability/reliability and dealers? Thanks for any thoughts.
25th Oct 2017 10:27 am
Dannyson
Member Since: 15 Oct 2014
Location: Newquay, Cornwall
Posts: 820
My 38 year old daughter happened to say today she saw a new Discovery (D5) in a nearby car park .... and commented 'what an ugly looking thing.... the front looks so wrong .. tiny headlights....' ....
I said I thought it was the back end that looked odd ...... maybe ... she said 'but the front just looks wrong'....
Go for a Volvo next time Dad she says - especially as 'Which" says all Land Rover products are a 'Don't Buy' ..... I'm pretty sure that is right....?2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
25th Oct 2017 11:58 pm
Nikki
Member Since: 10 Mar 2015
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 140
The facial (and other) injuries from the thoughtless design of the D5 tailgate will really create a huge marketing/design problem.
26th Oct 2017 12:09 am
Downsman
Member Since: 04 Sep 2017
Location: Sussex
Posts: 99
I think the main problem that LR now have, is that unless you’re a footballer you’re too young to afford it if you like it it, and too old to like it if you can afford it 2007 Discovery 3 HSE
1986 Land Rover 90 Ex-MOD
1996 discovery 1 v8 (gone)
26th Oct 2017 12:25 am
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6261
Nikki wrote:
The facial (and other) injuries from the thoughtless design of the D5 tailgate will really create a huge marketing/design problem.
What a lot of rubbish. 7 months in and I’ve yet to bang my head on the tailgate. LR aren’t the only manufacturer with sharp edges.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
26th Oct 2017 8:21 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 13881
Dannyson wrote:
My 38 year old daughter happened to say today she saw a new Discovery (D5) in a nearby car park .... and commented 'what an ugly looking thing.... the front looks so wrong .. tiny headlights....' ....
I said I thought it was the back end that looked odd ...... maybe ... she said 'but the front just looks wrong'....
Go for a Volvo next time Dad she says - especially as 'Which" says all Land Rover products are a 'Don't Buy' ..... I'm pretty sure that is right....?
Do yo have a copy of the Which report as why not to buy LR?New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
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26th Oct 2017 9:10 am
Skynet
Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: Melksham, Wiltshire
Posts: 868
LT wrote:
professorpool wrote:
Nikki wrote:
…then the D4 will become a classic….
Which former LR vehicle is not a classic?
Freelander?
Think you will find this turns out to be a mistake. Sure the poorly designed coolant system on the petrol version and clutch failures of FL1 were teething troubles, but the TD4 version and FL2 have plenty of followers. In fact the FL2 is coming into its own as a good cheaper LR than its bigger brethren.Dave
D3 2006 HSE, Cairns Blue - gone
D4 2016 SE, White
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23337
I go on to say how much I like the FL2.
In my own opinion, I wouldn't put either the FLI or FL2 into the "Classic" category, but accept that others might see them as such 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
1) The cars are "classic" but not necessarily "a classic" - you might also phrase it classic but not iconic . Stellar, sound, as you'd expect. I'd describe the FL1 as such - indeed, probably all LRs.
2) The classic line-up - IMHO, around 2007/2008 is when the LR range was spot on (oil pump issues etc. excepted!). The FL2 had come in. The FFRR had the TDV8 and supercharged available. The Defender got the TDCi. No Evoque yet. Everything (Defender aside) had been modernised, but it hadn't gone all blingy. Each car is a classic generation of it's model.
3) Iconic/historically significant - Only 4 I'd say: The Series LR/Defender - for obvious reasons; the RR Classic - a real change of concept from the original LR; third generation FFRR - classic clean look, more authentic shape than the P38 IMO, really brought home the idea of a LR as a modern refined drive; Disco 3 - showed that refinement and virtually uncompromising utility are not mutually exclusive.
One other thing to be said for the FL1 is that it was LR's first smaller vehicle.
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