They will embed more CO2 in a high profile scheme to show their environmental credentials than the scheme than it will ever save - but hay if you say things often enough it must be true...
25th Oct 2006 6:10 am
azure111s
Member Since: 20 Sep 2006
Location: Wiltshire
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Saw this on BBC breakfast news. Why-oh-why they always say "4x4" I just can't understand. it's just prejudicial IMO. They should state "heavily polluting vehicles" and at least give a level of measurement to their claims. I know this encompasses many 4x4s but at least the X-Trail and CRV brigade are then left out of it. What they regularly fail to understand is that most D3 models, (as well as Pathfinder, etc.) have 7 seats, so emissions per assenger are lower Why don't they state "large engined 4 seat coupes" like the Merc 500 CLS for example?!
Makes my blood boil!
25th Oct 2006 9:37 am
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
From the BBC News website...
'Gas guzzlers' face parking hike
Motorists are set to face additional costs under the plan
The cost of residents' parking permits could be linked to car emissions under plans being considered in one of the country's most affluent areas.
A Lib Dem council in London wants owners of gas-guzzling vehicles to pay more to park outside their homes.
Richmond upon Thames residents with high-emission cars could pay £750 a year, compared with £200 now, but the greenest cars would be exempt.
The council hopes other authorities will be encouraged to follow its lead.
Richmond's plan follows national and local schemes targeting emissions and congestion.
It proposes a sliding scale of charges for parking permits based on the government's car tax bands.
Owners of 4x4s and high performance sports cars would pay higher parking permit rates than those with electric, hybrid and some diesel vehicles.
The truth is that we must all start acting now at local level
Serge Lourie, Richmond Council leader
Band A, which would be free, would consist of electric cars, while vehicles covered under band G would include petrol 4x4s, the Jaguar X-type and the Renault Espace people carrier.
"Climate change is the single greatest challenge facing the world today," said council leader Serge Lourie.
"We can no longer bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it is not happening, or that dealing with it is up to somebody else.
"And Richmond upon Thames is one of the highest CO2-emitting boroughs in London.
"For too long, it has been seen as a problem that only central governments or international organisations could address.
"The truth is that we must all start acting now at local level."
'Right direction'
If the plans are approved by the council's cabinet on November 6, the cost of parking the most polluting vehicles would rise from £100 to £300.
And those with more than one car would have to pay 50% more for extra permits - thus a household owning two high-emissions cars could pay £300 for the first, and £450 for the second, or £750 in total.
We're very hopeful that other councils will follow suit. We are the first in the country to implement a change such as this.
David Trigg, Richmond councillor
Richmond, which would consult with residents and local businesses in the coming months, hope to be able to implement the scheme by the New Year.
Councillor David Trigg, Richmond Council cabinet member for traffic, transport and parking, said he hoped the initiative would be widely copied.
"We're very hopeful that other councils will follow suit," he told the BBC.
"We are the first in the country to implement a change such as this, and we would certainly hope that others do."
Tony Bosworth, from Friends of the Earth, said the proposal was a "step in the right direction", but called on the government to increase road tax on gas-guzzlers.
"Encouraging people to buy fuel-efficient cars is a big part of the answer to climate change... but the real power here lies with the chancellor," he said.
But Mike Rutherford from the Motorists' Association pointed out that the measure would also affect families with larger saloon cars.
He said the Richmond plan appeared to be a "money-making exercise" but acknowledged it may slowly help encourage people to buy different vehicles.
A council spokesman, however, stressed the plan was "an exercise in cutting down on CO2 emissions".
National policies
Road charging is the government's radical proposal to cut traffic levels and tolls and congestion charging are being considered in many areas.
Anyone trying to drive a high-emissions vehicle from Richmond into central London could also face an additional cost for the city's congestion charge in the coming years.
In July, it emerged that the charge for drivers of such cars could rise to £25 in 2010 - three times the current charge.
London Mayor Ken Livingstone has said he wants a sliding scale, with lower charges for low-emission vehicles and higher charges for some urban 4x4 vehicles, dubbed "Chelsea tractors".
Delegates at the Lib Dem conference in September, meanwhile, approved plans to use new taxes on gas-guzzling cars and aviation to pay for income tax cuts.
Sir Menzies said he wanted to focus on "taxing pollution, not people".
The Tory leader David Cameron has also said he would offer incentives for green car use.
And in the Budget, Chancellor Gordon Brown raised road taxes for the most polluting vehicles, with the worst offenders now attracting a vehicle excise duty of £210.Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
25th Oct 2006 9:47 am
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Did you also notice at the end of the video how it showed the 'evil 4x4' parked at an angle with one wheel up on the curb and, to top it all, directly across double yellow lines. What next? Show the driver as an axe wielding mad man chopping down trees and small children?
25th Oct 2006 9:56 am
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I like the irony in the fact that your parking permit will cost more if your car produces high co2 emmisions, I was under the impression that when cars are parked (i.e. not being used) they all produce the same emmisions - none!Some say the glass is half full. Others that it is half empty. I say 'Are you drinking that?"
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25th Oct 2006 10:01 am
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Andy4467 wrote:
I was under the impression that when cars are parked (i.e. not being used) they all produce the same emmisions - none!
depends on who's inside and what they had to eat the night before
25th Oct 2006 10:45 am
Tim in Scotland
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On R4's Today programme that council man also slyly slipped in that the new charges would mean a hike in costs for everybody who has a car with an engine bigger than 1.5l................... so it isn't the big execubarge/4x4 owner they want to hit, it is the average family person - they are just hiding behind the fact that they will also collect a few squids from 4x4 and execubarge owners, they will get far more money out of Mr Average and his wife +2.4kidsNow a disillusioned new Land Rover buyer and have jumped ship to something less expensive and more reliable that hugs trees.... now driving a Mini Countryman PHEV as well as my trusty and brilliant 1996 Epsom Green Defender90 Tdi300
25th Oct 2006 10:57 am
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Your back Tim! Having for years been on the receiving end of the media's prejudice, it surprises me not. The press have reported such delights that I am more likely to abuse my children, I am a toff, I am an inbred as well as the usual murdering b d type insults - get used to it, its only just beginning. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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25th Oct 2006 11:34 am
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It has nothing to do with "green issues" just the council raising more cash Zermatt silver 06 reg.
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25th Oct 2006 12:23 pm
azure111s
Member Since: 20 Sep 2006
Location: Wiltshire
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Like speed cameras!!!! Don't get me started on that one! AaaaarrrggGGHHH!
25th Oct 2006 1:35 pm
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Just like all those right on councillors who wasted money on 'nuclear free zone' signs of the 1980's that have long since gone, hopefully all this greeenpi$$ inspired nonesense will evaporate into nothingness. All this greenpi$$ is nothing more than a front for cash strapped waistful councils to raise money. The real issue is the millions & millions of unserviced polluting vehicles being made & driven on Chinese (asian) & Indian subcontinent roads. Makes UK car pollution look like a fart in a pub. 2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
Taking the greenpi$$ is: Green taxing your citizens more & using some of the money to buy nukes.
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25th Oct 2006 10:33 pm
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Hence you now in most circumstances have to have a condensing boiler. Having seen the end of the programme about lorry drivers fiddling tachos and causing terrible accidents, I don't give a stuff about global warming, I want to protect my family the best I can and that aint in a Prius or Bamba Gascoigne's electric cartDS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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Why don't they state "large engined 4 seat coupes" like the Merc 500 CLS for example?!
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