Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
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Hi guys, do you know if the starter motor has an internal "thermal fuse/breaker"?
In cold start conditions (-7°C) during cranking the starter stops itself after few seconds despite the key remain on "start" position.
Any clue? - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
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 27th Feb 2018 2:20 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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No, don't think so.
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| 27th Feb 2018 6:55 pm |
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Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
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what do you think about?
All glow plugs and coolant temperature sensor are brand new - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
Last edited by Sidestick on 27th Feb 2018 8:09 pm. Edited 1 time in total
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| 27th Feb 2018 8:05 pm |
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Languedoc
Member Since: 29 Jul 2017
Location: Ariege
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Mine started fine this morning at -14 in the pyrenees. I cycle the ignition twice before engaging the starter though 2006 tdv6 s Cairns blue
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| 27th Feb 2018 8:08 pm |
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Compusmentis
Member Since: 18 Feb 2016
Location: Effingham
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It will be low battery voltage.
When you turn the key, you don't send a signal to the starter solenoid. On a D3, you send a signal to the ECU, and it sends one to the starter.
So if the main battery voltage is low, the ecu will not have sufficient voltage to maintain the signal to the starter, and so you get the 'runs breifly and then stops' behaviour.
Drop test the battery, check the alternator output. Change either / both as appropriate 
Having watched your video, I think you might have one or two glowplugs missing as well.. New gearbox & TC, 3 x front wheel bearings, belts changed, new oil pump, new battery, new rear prop, new front prop, new front diff, front arb refurbed, front cv boot kit, egr blank and BAS software patch, full rear suspension / drivelive rebuild, new front arms, LED trailer light fix, split charge.
Never had a 107, 90 or 127, but have had most of the rest!
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| 27th Feb 2018 8:57 pm |
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Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
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The starter cut out also whit a battery booster connected, anyway checking the voltage on both (battery and alternator) it seems to maintain a good value with a normal voltage drop. - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
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| 27th Feb 2018 9:09 pm |
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zinke
Member Since: 22 Feb 2014
Location: Scunthorpe
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Maybe when the engine fires briefly it’s throwing the starter out and is sticking and not coming back in? Maybe worth pulling the starter off and checking it on the bench?
Pete. IID, webasto software and workshop facility's available.
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| 27th Feb 2018 9:23 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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So in that video, you say the starter stopped itself? 2 times
Be nice to have a video of the dash and nav display while you are starting it
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| 27th Feb 2018 9:26 pm |
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Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
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here we are, but a bit warmer start...
- Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
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| 1st Mar 2018 11:54 am |
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Gareth
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From the sound of the speed of cranking, I would say the battery is strong. When the engine 'catches' the starter does disengage and stop. That's normal behavior.
However, your engine is catching but not running. There is a lot of smoke, and it takes a good minute before its running anything like smoothly.
You say you have new glow plugs, however that is showing all the symptoms of some or all not working. Other than that, you could be looking at worn injectors.
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| 1st Mar 2018 12:04 pm |
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Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
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Thanks Gareth - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
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| 1st Mar 2018 12:20 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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I was thinking injectors too
It not running correctly during the first 30 seconds
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| 1st Mar 2018 1:14 pm |
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Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
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It's curious also that idle do not self increase around 1000 rpm in that cold situation...
From what i read on the workshop manual, idle is modulated from the electric load management inside the actm...
During the engine warm-up period, the ATCM manages the electrical load to make sure that the battery voltage is maintained above a pre-determined level. The battery voltage level that is maintained and the duration of the start period varies with ambient air temperature and engine coolant temperature. After the engine warm-up period, the ATCM manages the electrical load to make sure that the requested electrical load does not exceed the generator output.
The duration of the engine warm-up period depends on the ambient air temperature and the engine coolant temperature when the ignition is switched on,
could the bolded text be the cause of premature starter cutout? - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
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| 1st Mar 2018 1:26 pm |
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Sidestick
Member Since: 22 Apr 2012
Location: Rome
Posts: 2288
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And another info is that in warmer conditions the engine starts pretty well 
The Engine coolant temperature sensor has been changed in the last season but it hasn't solved the problem - Easy-Lift suspension module 4.0
- GoodWinch 9500 lb
- Full underbody protections
- Tree/Rock sidebars
- Prospeed roofrack & ladder
- Compressor guard
- Raised Air Intake
- Driving lights (2+4)
- 50 mm Waffle boards
- Altox Heater control
- Overland Rooftop Tent
- Rear seats entertainment
- Front & Rear camera
- GVIF
- Removable tow bar
- Cubby box fridge
- BFG KO2 265/65R17
- iidTool BT
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| 1st Mar 2018 1:27 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10360
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do you have an IID to check the air temp sensor is working ?
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| 1st Mar 2018 1:42 pm |
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