Member Since: 29 Jul 2020
Location: Kirchstetten
Posts: 96
The most reliable option on D3/D4
Hi
At the moment we own an 2006 D3 2.7 HSE AT.
We love that car, but we also hate this car!
Its so gorges to drive. And so practical. And looks so cool!
BUT, technical its a piece of .
We own it now half a year and i had to replace:
-stearing rack
-wheel bearings
-injectors
-glow plugs
-egr
-its rusty
- and it makes sound in 5th gear
so, we will sell it, but we want an other one. but which one is the better option?
An newer D4? Is there the At transmission more reliable? or is it the same?
which engine? the 3.0 Diesel seems to have it own problems.
Petrol? and which Petrol one?
best regards
Roland
22nd Feb 2021 10:42 am
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10360
A petrol 4.4 is a good choice if you can aford the fuel
22nd Feb 2021 10:47 am
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23337
The D3/4 is a high tech vehicle. I liken it to a cross between a car and a tractor. It weighs a lot which has an inevitable impact on suspension and braking components.
To be fair, the faults you have listed could apply to any vehicle of that age.
The solution really depends on your budget and as with all LR’s, a dose of luck.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
22nd Feb 2021 11:05 am
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
Its 15 years old. What did you expect? Majority of 15 year old cars are headed to the scrap yard...Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
22nd Feb 2021 11:09 am
pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2432
The petrol V8....... in 5yrs, I replaced the battery. Although I have changed the aux belts and a couple of sensors as precautionary
Changed front wheel bearings at 110k though
22nd Feb 2021 11:09 am
Duc750
Member Since: 07 Aug 2017
Location: northampton
Posts: 305
I read something the other day that said that the average life of a modern car is 14 years. I take pride in the fact that I have always owned vehicles that have outlasted the average
All you have listed though are consumable items on any vehicle
As for V8s being a problem on fuel - over time I think they are probably cheaper to run than a diesel as long as you don't drive them like an utter tool.05 D3 V8 HSE, LR Passion tree bars, wildbear compressor guard, LRP switch panel, ARB rear locker + compressor, Trigger 6 shooter electrical system
12 RRS SDV6 HSE (Hers) - Gone and replaced with an I Pace - I can tell you now EV is not the future yet
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22nd Feb 2021 12:25 pm
Fuxl
Member Since: 29 Jul 2020
Location: Kirchstetten
Posts: 96
14 years....thats nothing!
No, I fully understand that these things are very common on such old cars.......
...but.....its also a thing of how these things appear.
I never had a car where there is in each month a new issue to repair. and not small things. all the things are more or less major breakdowns where you cannot drive home and repair it. And they have all happend without any prior notice.
I also have a 20 year old Landcruiser. there, I only have to change the oil once in a year. and if I'm funny, I change the windscreen whippers.
Please don't misunderstand me. We really like that car! That's the reason why we still want one even after half a year and 6000€ investment.
I Just wanted to know which model year and which engine is the most reliable.
I'm from Austria. There where only Diesel Model on sale. But I'm fully open to import a Petrol one from anywhere else.
A budged is hard to define...I would say below 20000€
Is there a difference in the Transmissions between the Automatic with the "gear lever" and the automatic with "shifty knob thing"?
best regards
22nd Feb 2021 1:47 pm
ianm27
Member Since: 02 Jun 2016
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 2154
Cars with the "gear lever" have a 6 speed auto gear box
Cars with the "shifty knob thing" have the 8 speed auto gear box and slightly higher bhp
Unfortunately it is impossible to determine which Model Year is the most reliable, as with all cars you pay your money and take your chances. The obvious things like full service history, general upkeep of the car etc etc may reduce the chances of serious breakdown but it is not guaranteed.
Good luck with your search for a "new" D4 Uncle Ray's spare wheel protector
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22nd Feb 2021 2:00 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23337
The Land Cruiser is a far simpler and cruder beast. As you’ll know from driving both.
The “gear stick” is 6 Speed. The “twiddly knob” is 8 speed. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
22nd Feb 2021 2:04 pm
pagoda
Member Since: 13 Aug 2009
Location: Not London Anymore (or the US for that matter)
Posts: 1923
The LR vs Land Cruiser debate rages on. When I was looking to replace my 2006 V8 (which never missed a beat, but which needed all the usual suspension components like hubs, LCA, UCA, etc because it's a heavy vehicle as has been said) I looked at the Land Cruiser. It's worth noting that the Land Cruiser is a good 50%-ish more expensive than the LR, and whilst that holds true for used vehicles as well as new - i.e. they hold their value astonishingly well - it's still a chunk of money.
Having used Land Cruisers and LR extensively in very harsh environments, there's little doubt that the Land Cruiser is more reliable and easier to work on (especially a long way from modern workshops). However, the Land Cruiser (maybe less so the newest models, although in the US you'll part with almost $90K for one) is more agricultural and clunky than the LR3 and LR4. It's a far less nice cabin to be in, and the loadspace (with the rear seats) is comically bad compared to the LR.
So they don't really compare that well, but I would concede reliability.
Oh, and the 4.4 v8 is amazing. There are plenty in the US *IF* you can import to Austria. Not terribly expensive in terms of shipping but there may be other taxes. I sold my 2006 about 5 months ago for $9.5K 106K miles; excellent condition. Changed it for a last model LR4 V6 SC. People in the US also seem to like the LR4 V8 5.0L.PAGODA
22nd Feb 2021 2:18 pm
Fuxl
Member Since: 29 Jul 2020
Location: Kirchstetten
Posts: 96
Thats true..... but you (LT) told me that these things could happen to any car of that age.
and the landcruiser as well has a gearing rack injectors glow plugs wheel bearings and so on
But I don't want to break of a landcruiser Landrover war. Both off the cars have there segment, are very hard to compare.
8 speed gear box sound preferable for me
and a Petrol engine
PS:
By the way, I didn't mention all the small lovely quarks like, when I drive a hard right corner, the ceiling light turns on. when I drive a hard left corner, the electrical outer mirrors move to the bottom.
22nd Feb 2021 2:23 pm
riverblanche
Member Since: 31 Aug 2010
Location: retford'ish
Posts: 2210
Re: The most reliable option on D3/D4
Fuxl wrote:
we will sell it, but we want an other one. but which one is the better option?
I would try and buy one where someone else has just had the pain of replacing stuff
the first one we bought had recently had the same sort of stuff done as you have, plus a belt change and a head off to replace all heater plugs we had it for about 2 years and other than servicing think it only needed 1 wheel bearing and a rack arm.
so it depends WHEN you buy one, just before a load of work needed and you feel the pain and want to sell it, just after and you feel the love, there is no right answer all engines have some issues like all models do,.
If I knew which one was the best i would probably know which numbers to pick on the lottery as well
There is nothing worse than not enjoying your car though so if its time for a change go for something with lots of recent receipts and then cross your fingers but enjoy it.Transit! 2019
Gone D3 HSE 2008
Another Porsche Cayenne 2022
Gone Porsche Cayenne 2020
Gone RRS HSE Dynamic 2016
Gone RRS HSE LUX 2011
Gone RRS HSE 2006
Gone D3 SE 2.7 2008
gone D2 Td5 1999
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22nd Feb 2021 2:37 pm
Fuxl
Member Since: 29 Jul 2020
Location: Kirchstetten
Posts: 96
Why is this car so cool that I still want one?
Oh, for sure I did all the belts as well. And when I changed the glow plugs, 5 out of 6 cracked in the head.
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But I managed to remove them without removing the heads.
So, there is NO real reliable Model year and no real flawless engine.
Should I keep my own? because I already did so much repair work on it?
I'm a little bit scared of the automatic gearbox. as I mentioned it makes noises in 5th gear with low revs. (around 1500/min)
I guess reworking the gearbox is a pain in the ass........ and buying an other one which is 15years old is very risky.
Hard decisions..
best regards
23rd Feb 2021 8:36 am
Duc750
Member Since: 07 Aug 2017
Location: northampton
Posts: 305
2013 5.0 V8 petrol import or as late as you can get low mileage d3 V8 and then replace the thermostat housing
Specifically 2013 as that had the upgraded tensioners05 D3 V8 HSE, LR Passion tree bars, wildbear compressor guard, LRP switch panel, ARB rear locker + compressor, Trigger 6 shooter electrical system
12 RRS SDV6 HSE (Hers) - Gone and replaced with an I Pace - I can tell you now EV is not the future yet
Metalian Camper trailer
23rd Feb 2021 9:07 am
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
I would say based on my long term experience of land rover ownership, any older land rover will need approx 1000 pounds spending on parts alone each year.
As you have spent 6k in 6 montsh alone, I reckon you are slightly ahead of the average there!
Why not run it for a further 6 mths and see if it is now sorted?
Have you changed the gearbox oil or even checked the level?
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