scimmiamagia
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| The perfect Tyre… for an LRD4? |
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I have had Michelin Crossclimate on for the last three years and they are about to be replaced. I will have a spare if anyone is interested…
Time for a change and I feel like trying out a different tyre.
I need a set of tyres for U.K. weather but also for the occasional trundle off to the Alps in winter so need the mountain peak symbol of a legitimate winter tyre (hence the Michelin) as well as a tyre that can handle the odd downpour and be comfortable to drive and not too noisy. Michelin are rated at 69db in 255/55r19.
We also go occasionally camping to a campsite that turns into a bog at the slightest sniff of rain so it would be good if it were a capable mud tyre too.
We don’t go off-road but would like the option should the need arise.
Is there such a tyre?
Search suggests Pirelli AT+ would fit the bill. Any other suggestions or experience with the AT+ to say look elsewhere?
Thanks
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grzesiul
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Duratrac
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| 11th Mar 2022 8:17 am |
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ronp
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GeneralGrabber AT3s are a good all round choice.
Great on road with no extra noise, very capable in off road situations …….
and they look good on a Disco.
https://www.generaltire-tyres.com/car/tyres/grabber-at3?cartype= ...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
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| 11th Mar 2022 9:19 am |
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RRSTDV8
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grzesiul wrote:Duratrac
They're not 3MPSF rated in Discovery sizes, I believe, so don't meet the OP's requirement for the Alps. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 11th Mar 2022 9:49 am |
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nigethecat
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+1 for General Grabber AT3's.. I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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| 11th Mar 2022 9:56 am |
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RRSTDV8
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| Re: The perfect Tyre… for an LRD4? |
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scimmiamagia wrote:
Search suggests Pirelli AT+ would fit the bill. Any other suggestions or experience with the AT+ to say look elsewhere?
Thanks
I have the Pirelli AT+ on my RRS and it's a good tyre on road and in the limited use I've given it off road at shoots and the like.
I have also run the Grabber AT3 on the same RRS. Again, good tyre on road and off road.
Neither is a mud tyre, of course, so in proper deep, wet muddy conditions they will struggle but then so will any tyre that's not an MT. I used a worn set of AT3 on a weekend in Wales including the Strata Florida and wet muddy tracks and it never got stuck.
Both are winter rated (3MPSF symbol on the tyre) so both meet your Alps requirement. Neither are noisy - they're noisier than a pure road tyre by their nature and all ATs will be to some degree, but neither are noticeably so for me.
Of the two, I'd go with the AT3, I think. It would cover all of your requirements. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 11th Mar 2022 9:57 am |
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NJSS
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AT3s  Am I Gammon or Woke ? - I neither know nor care.
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| 11th Mar 2022 10:03 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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I’m currently running AT3’s on my FFRR and they’re a good all rounder. I only fitted them as I was struggling too much off road on the Pirelli Verdre All Seasons especially in heavy (thick) mud. I never actually got stuck though.
I also have two other vehicles that are running Michelin Crossclimate’s. inc. the SUV version. They are a superb all year round road tyre.
BUT as the op only has to deal with a muddy campsite, I think that an AT tyre would be overkill. Whilst they are quiet for an AT tyre, they are still a bit noisier than most “road” tyres and braking distances will inevitably be longer. You’ll also get less mpg!
Anyone who has been on a LRE day or half day will know how capable any LR is off road even on the standard fitment road oriented tyres. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 11th Mar 2022 3:20 pm |
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scimmiamagia
Member Since: 05 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey
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Thanks for the replies. Beginning to think I should stick with Cross Climates given I only have to buy three tyres, and have had no issues with them other than when they have got a bit worn. Had them on for 3 years so they haven't done too bad. Driven to Bolzano and back, and while there was no major snow fall, they were fine for what we encountered, and they have done the muddy campsite.
Intrigued by the new Scorpion All Season SF (snowflake), but not seen any reviews. They look a little bit too refined, too prissy for a Discovery 4, if you know what I mean. Fine on an Evoque or Discovery 5, but don't really look the part on a Discovery 4 or new Defender.
Anyone with experience of the other 'V' tread all season tyres like Bridgestone Weather Control or Conti AllSeason Contact? I have the latter on my Panda 100hp, and they are great, but you never know how they translate to a tyre twice as wide!
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| 13th Mar 2022 11:36 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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For your needs the Michelin CC SUV’s are perfect. I swear by them, but I need a more off road AT on the FFRR during the winter months.
With the correct use of the TR system you’ll still be able to get most places off road. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
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2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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| 13th Mar 2022 12:34 pm |
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scimmiamagia
Member Since: 05 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey
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Ha! Tried to buy some Cross Climates and there are none in the country it seems. Are they made in Russia?
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| 14th Mar 2022 6:28 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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Ah yes, I bought two 15" Michelin CC's in December and the independent tyre company that Ive used for the past 30 years, who are wholesalers as well as retail to the public, had to work a bit to find a pair and they took a few days to arrive.
Their explanation was that they are very popular, but particularly during the winter months. They are made in batches and demand is often greater than supply.
I also bought 4 18" CC SUV at the same time, but they were readily avaialble!
How about these?:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/con...11w-999352
2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 14th Mar 2022 7:00 pm |
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scimmiamagia
Member Since: 05 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey
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I have the continental on my Panda 100HP, and they are great. They might be the only option.
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| 24th Mar 2022 10:21 am |
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scimmiamagia
Member Since: 05 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey
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What do you do about a full size spare, in a tyre that is directional? Do you hope that if you get a puncture, it's on the side you have a spare for? Or do you all use the small spare, and hope you don't get a puncture during the winter?
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| 24th Mar 2022 10:22 am |
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LIAMMCL
Member Since: 27 Aug 2013
Location: Northumberland
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Pirelli AT+, I was put off General Grabbers after seeing peoples pictures of alloy rims being eaten away by the tyre bead.
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