Is it normal to replace the oil pump when changing timing belts?
Thanks
Adri
15th May 2019 7:58 pm
Dazz360
Member Since: 03 Sep 2016
Location: West Mids Walsall
Posts: 871
Only if you don’t know the history of it being replaced to the modified one with the extra bit of casting where the tensioner bolts to it
I changed mine as didn’t know with all the belts idlers and tensioners luckily I was right it needed it but history of the showed belts had been done but no pump so changed the lot whilst in thereMetal auto sump & fluid change (3 hrs)
LR door puddle projectors (10 mins)
Tinted Bonnet wind deflector (10 mins)
All Intercooler pipes and Tbolts (2hrs)
3 injectors replaced so far (30mins)
Sunroof drain pipes both sides 2.5 hrs)
Rear discs, shoes,pads,callipers,flexi hoses, rigid brake line, n/s upper hub carrier bush and rear n/s upper arm (13hrs over 2 days)
15th May 2019 8:44 pm
DevonDisco747
Member Since: 04 Jan 2019
Location: Newton Abbot
Posts: 32
I'm sure it's covered somewhere on here but how can you tell visually if your oil pump is the "old" or "new" one?
16th May 2019 5:12 pm
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10360
On a 2007 you must change the oil pump to the new type
16th May 2019 6:28 pm
Dazz360
Member Since: 03 Sep 2016
Location: West Mids Walsall
Posts: 871
DevonDisco747 wrote:
I'm sure it's covered somewhere on here but how can you tell visually if your oil pump is the "old" or "new" one?
Pictures toward the bottom of first page
https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/oil-pump-egr-181151.html#d3endMetal auto sump & fluid change (3 hrs)
LR door puddle projectors (10 mins)
Tinted Bonnet wind deflector (10 mins)
All Intercooler pipes and Tbolts (2hrs)
3 injectors replaced so far (30mins)
Sunroof drain pipes both sides 2.5 hrs)
Rear discs, shoes,pads,callipers,flexi hoses, rigid brake line, n/s upper hub carrier bush and rear n/s upper arm (13hrs over 2 days)
16th May 2019 9:21 pm
the wife
Member Since: 05 Aug 2018
Location: Spalding
Posts: 15
I Bought a 2007 SE D3 with full landrover history. Engine stopped so Stripped it down to find it had the old type pump fitted and the casing had broken My Advise to anyone is to replace both belts and oil pump housing ASAP if you cannot guarantee whats fitted - DO NOT RISK IT !!!!!!!!
16th May 2019 9:26 pm
Dazz360
Member Since: 03 Sep 2016
Location: West Mids Walsall
Posts: 871
☝🏻 Like he says my belts were done but with cheap idles and the oil pump was the old one so done the lot for peace of mind also done the coolant pump whilst I was in there took 5 minsMetal auto sump & fluid change (3 hrs)
LR door puddle projectors (10 mins)
Tinted Bonnet wind deflector (10 mins)
All Intercooler pipes and Tbolts (2hrs)
3 injectors replaced so far (30mins)
Sunroof drain pipes both sides 2.5 hrs)
Rear discs, shoes,pads,callipers,flexi hoses, rigid brake line, n/s upper hub carrier bush and rear n/s upper arm (13hrs over 2 days)
16th May 2019 9:30 pm
Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285
It should be noted, that newly installed oil pumps are failing as well
+ pre and post 07 models.
I suspect in some cases, there is some other form of failure in the engine that causes a shock loading, that is causing these idlers to snap off from oil pump
It should be noted, that newly installed oil pumps are failing as well
+ pre and post 07 models.
Not seen any evidence of that happening here, not with the new style pump fitted, some have failed due to main bearings shells moving, but this lock the engine anyway.?
Flack
17th May 2019 1:30 pm
Dazz360
Member Since: 03 Sep 2016
Location: West Mids Walsall
Posts: 871
Tripe wrote:
It should be noted, that newly installed oil pumps are failing as well
+ pre and post 07 models.
I suspect in some cases, there is some other form of failure in the engine that causes a shock loading, that is causing these idlers to snap off from oil pump
Are you guys reading the toque wrench the right way up Metal auto sump & fluid change (3 hrs)
LR door puddle projectors (10 mins)
Tinted Bonnet wind deflector (10 mins)
All Intercooler pipes and Tbolts (2hrs)
3 injectors replaced so far (30mins)
Sunroof drain pipes both sides 2.5 hrs)
Rear discs, shoes,pads,callipers,flexi hoses, rigid brake line, n/s upper hub carrier bush and rear n/s upper arm (13hrs over 2 days)
17th May 2019 7:14 pm
Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285
QED
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17th May 2019 10:22 pm
Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 07 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
Posts: 4156
My advice if you’re doing the pump is use a genuine one! A couple of years ago I had my belts, idlers and pump replaced purely due to age....
Thinking I was doing the right thing I swapped the lot for new.... less than 5000 miles and 2 years later I have had to replace the lot again...
Giving the car a routine maintenance inspection I found a considerable oil leak underneath the car.. this was traced to the new oil pump failing...
When we checked it it was a non genuine one that had been fitted...thus another unnecessarily large bill to replace it with a proper one!
17th May 2019 10:47 pm
Sea Raider
Member Since: 01 Nov 2016
Location: None
Posts: 4450
Tripe wrote:
QED
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Am I missing something, I only see belts replaced, nothing to suggest the pump was replaced??
18th May 2019 7:57 am
gearmuncher
Member Since: 30 Oct 2018
Location: Woodley
Posts: 143
Farmer Chalk wrote:
My advice if you’re doing the pump is use a genuine one! A couple of years ago I had my belts, idlers and pump replaced purely due to age....
Thinking I was doing the right thing I swapped the lot for new.... less than 5000 miles and 2 years later I have had to replace the lot again...
Giving the car a routine maintenance inspection I found a considerable oil leak underneath the car.. this was traced to the new oil pump failing...
When we checked it it was a non genuine one that had been fitted...thus another unnecessarily large bill to replace it with a proper one!
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My Advise to anyone is to replace both belts and oil pump housing ASAP if you cannot guarantee whats fitted - DO NOT RISK IT !!!!!!!! 
