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Oil change – Not my best day
I finally got around to doing my first Oil change on my 65 pate D4 HSE Lux and it didn’t exactly go well.
Ordered the oil, Oil filter and Air filter from Advance factors a couple of weeks ago, so thought I had the parts and made sure the engine was warm.
Checked the oil level on the dash before I started and it was still showing full, as it’s done since I brought the car in December. I’ve done @6K miles since.
My Brand new Air Powered Sealy Extractor pump had a different inlet air connector to all my air tools, so I had to change it. Luckily I did have a spare, and I set my compressor to 90PSI as per the instructions.
I set the extractor up with one of the larger tubes which was a tight fit over the tube in the D4 engine bay, but nothing was happening until I found the top of the new extractor was loose and needed tightening. All the screws were loose.
After @5mins I was a little concerned that only about a litre had been extracted, but left the compressor running and checked the Oil level via the dash and it showed it had gone down to @3/4 – great.
At @20mins and 4l my compressor overheated. It was running almost constantly to keep up.
I had by this time checked everything I could as that flow rate is obviously not right, but can’t find anything wrong with the extractor or setup. And my compressor should cope.
Whilst it was cooling down I thought I’d change the Oil filter and Air Filter.
With the old Oil filter out it was obvious I’d been sent the wrong filter.
Looking on the Mahle website the number on the box OX776D, was correct for the 3.0 D4 engine, and other websites confirmed OX776D is what they sold for the D4, but all of the images showed a different filter to what was in the box. The filter in the box is printed with OX776 without the ‘D’ and it is a different filter.
Being 14.00hrs on a Saturday afternoon by that stage Advance factors were shut, they are now only open mon-sat, all my local(ish) LR dealership parts departments were shut, as was Keith Gott, and West 4x4 didn’t answer their phone so were assumed shut.
All my local Motor factors also shut at 14.00hrs on a Saturday, which I’ve never understood.
Halfords could get one, but not until Monday.
So, my only option was Euro Car parts who had Mann filters, one in Portsmouth and one in Chichester.
Because the A27 is shut this weekend Portsmouth was out of the question, and I had to take a really long route home once I’d been to Chichester because of the traffic trying to get around the A27 closure.
The Mann filter was at least a match for the old filter.
By now the Oil in the D4 was obviously cold, but so was the compressor which got another litre out before overheating again.
I carried on by hand, around 15mins pumping, but only got a total of 5.2l out.
I gave up and will have to change it again soon once I’ve returned the extractor pump.
Then more fun.
I poured @4.5l of fresh oil in and thought I’d check the dash display, it showed the level at Max.
Odd I though, but I of course hadn’t started the engine.
I put the remainder of the 5L can of oil in and checked it again. Still at Max, not above, so I started the engine for a couple of minutes to circulate the oil.
At that point of course I needed to leave the oil to settle for the required 10-15mins so got on with something else in the garage.
When I tried after about 15mins the Oil level was still showing as Unavailable, but the 2x CC Button push rewarded me with the digital gauge working but still showing the level at Max.
I thought I’d check the Oil level with my GAP IID.
I found the right ‘page’ in live data and it said 138.0M, to which of course I thought what the hell does that mean?
Whilst I was in there I thought I’d reset the Oil service, but all I could find was the normal complete service reset,
Can somebody point me in the right direction please?
So where I am now overnight is that I’ve taken 5.2l out, and put 5l back in, but it’s showing the same level on the gauge, Max, as before and I’ve no idea what 139.0M means.
Anyone any ideas?
Thanks
Nasher.Heaven doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over.
Last edited by Nasher on 26th Sep 2020 9:05 pm. Edited 2 times in total
26th Sep 2020 8:55 pm
Nasher
Member Since: 07 Mar 2009
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The filters
The old one is obviously the Black Oily one.
The One I was sent is below the Mahle box. Smaller holes, fitted with an internal cage, won't go over the cage in the filter housing or over the tube in the engine block.
And doesn't match any images I found of that part number.
The Mann one is the one below the Mann box and is an exact replacement for the original.
Nasher.Heaven doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over.
26th Sep 2020 9:05 pm
Disco_Mikey
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Mann filter is what are supplied in the Genuine LR parts box for the 3.0
The Mahle one would have fitted, but its a very tight fit into the housingMy D3 Build Thread
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Maybe it means 139mls short of max capacity? which would tie in with your .2 litres.
I have no idea what the 3.0 sump holds, but 5 litres is pretty much spot for an oil change on the 2.7.
26th Sep 2020 9:48 pm
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Oh for a simple dipstick.
26th Sep 2020 9:48 pm
RATA1
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Did you take the oil filler cap off / oil filter when you sucked out the oil?
I have a a vacuum pump (8l Sealey or Draper can't remember) and had no problems, flowed out fairly quickly. Had to buy this new one as my old manual Pela was only 6l and the tube wouldn't fit. Nice upgrade
I got just over 6.5 out and IID said 7.2 before I started IIRC. Last service from LR... Level at max, no "too much oil message"
Put 5.9 back in and said 7!
As far as I know it is 5.9 on a change and I put less back in than I got out so confusing too. I would love a dipstick to "verify" but I am not alone there.
Bummer about the filter, I bought 3 when I got the oil. Hope the old filter didn't stain the table too much!
Interested to hear what other have experienced too.In today's world, if you contribute something, you don't contribute enough. If you contribute nothing, you receive everything.
Are you calling Nasher a simple dipstick? Bit harsh..
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26th Sep 2020 11:07 pm
Nasher
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Thanks guys
DM, there was no way the Mahle filter would fit, I even tried taking the cage out of the filter housing and the tabs for the cage held the filter @5mm from the bottom.
RATA1, how do you get your IID to read a sensible number?
And any idea where the Oil reset only is on the IID?
Thanks
Nasher.Heaven doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over.
26th Sep 2020 11:42 pm
RATA1
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I took a screen shot when I did it in August and found it. 7.1l not 7.2l as I thought/remembered.
I'll see what it is today and see how I got there.
I wanted to change the "oil service" too but couldn't find that either so left it.
Odd that I show 139m too...In today's world, if you contribute something, you don't contribute enough. If you contribute nothing, you receive everything.
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27th Sep 2020 8:49 am
Nasher
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Thanks RATA1.
I'm obviously doing something wrong.
I chose Oil level from the live data options, perhaps I should look further down the list and see if there are other oil related options.
Nasher.Heaven doesn't want me, and hell is afraid I'll take over.
27th Sep 2020 9:36 am
RATA1
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If you look down the long list there are quite a few options for oil.
Went out just now and mine is still reading 7l
Shows 136m @ 7l - this is cold and not used since yesterday so plenty of time to settle.In today's world, if you contribute something, you don't contribute enough. If you contribute nothing, you receive everything.
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27th Sep 2020 9:55 am
RATA1
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If you go to "Live Values" from the main IID screen
Then select "Select Line Values"
Then "Quick List" ( I think),
Then scroll down to "PCM-Engine Diesel 3.0L"
Then scroll down and select up to 8 values you want.
Then either add to a favourite (star) or view.
Then you see all you need
So from Google:
Capacity 5,9 litre (Service fill)
Capacity 6,7 litre (Dry fill)
So I guess I am 300 ml too much. I guess the IID/car "calculated" oil volume is total sump and the 136 ml "measured" is min to max on the pseudo dipstick?
If I get time today I might suck out 300 ml and see what happens, but like to know what target numbers I/we are aiming at In today's world, if you contribute something, you don't contribute enough. If you contribute nothing, you receive everything.
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27th Sep 2020 10:06 am
dgardel
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Nasher wrote:
Thanks guys
DM, there was no way the Mahle filter would fit, I even tried taking the cage out of the filter housing and the tabs for the cage held the filter @5mm from the bottom.
RATA1, how do you get your IID to read a sensible number?
And any idea where the Oil reset only is on the IID?
Thanks
Nasher.
I always use Mahle. The white part is "elastic", you need to push it.....
Do a lot of kms with mahle filters without any problem
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Level at max, no "too much oil message"
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