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Sonic3d
Member Since: 22 Nov 2005
Location: Ross on Wye Herefordshire
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Hi Simon
No worries  i wish we had some more of that lovely white stuff  I can resist everything except TEMPTATION
Can Am Commander 1000XT
Seen the light and bought a 4Motion T5
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DaveT
Member Since: 01 Aug 2005
Location: Cornwall
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I've thought about it (tried that before I posted, but it was too much of a strain) and the bit that doesn't make sense is that they're designed with the outside tread pattern different to the inside, so mounting them 'letters in' would alter the characteristics of them.
Told you I got confused 
Clicking around the website it looked like they may not all be the new tread pattern - so hopefully the 19" will have no nasty white letters but lots of nice strong kevlar  Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
SIII Lightweight - neglected & rusting. Bulkhead, A panels, vent panel & outriggers now disintegrated - Next years project!
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| 2nd Mar 2009 11:28 pm |
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Jonty
Member Since: 13 Oct 2007
Location: On the beach
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DaveT wrote:....... that they're designed with the outside tread pattern different to the inside, so mounting them 'letters in' would alter the characteristics of them.
You're right - they're asymmetric but the white letters are optionla afaik.
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| 3rd Mar 2009 8:14 am |
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London Lad
Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: Suffolk
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DaveT wrote:I've thought about it (tried that before I posted, but it was too much of a strain) and the bit that doesn't make sense is that they're designed with the outside tread pattern different to the inside, so mounting them 'letters in' would alter the characteristics of them.
Told you I got confused
Clicking around the website it looked like they may not all be the new tread pattern - so hopefully the 19" will have no nasty white letters but lots of nice strong kevlar
Think about the front wheels on the car with the nasty white letters on the outside.
Now swap the FNS with the FOS wheels. Keep the wheel facing forward, just move it to the other side of the car, hey-presto wheels still rotating in the same direction but nasty white letters on the inside .
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| 3rd Mar 2009 11:44 am |
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DaveT
Member Since: 01 Aug 2005
Location: Cornwall
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LL: yes but the inside tread pattern is different to the outside. They're designed to be mounted one way only.
Sonic: do you have any idea how much of my life i waste looking at your avatar  Long succession of Disco's since 2001...
SIII Lightweight - neglected & rusting. Bulkhead, A panels, vent panel & outriggers now disintegrated - Next years project!
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| 3rd Mar 2009 10:28 pm |
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London Lad
Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: Suffolk
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Ah... Directional AND asymmetric, I thought they were just directional, sorry  .
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| 3rd Mar 2009 11:08 pm |
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GraemeS
Member Since: 17 Mar 2008
Location: NSW
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London Lad wrote:Ah... Directional AND asymmetric, I thought they were just directional, sorry
To be both they have to make left and right side versions, so only asymmetric?
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| 4th Mar 2009 9:17 am |
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Jonty
Member Since: 13 Oct 2007
Location: On the beach
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Just had another look at the website - it says they're asymmetric, but doesn't say they're directional. Being an off-road tyre, I doubt they'd bother with different tyres for right and left sides?
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| 4th Mar 2009 10:12 am |
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London Lad
Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: Suffolk
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Right lets get this clear, directional means that the tyre must roll in one direction only but the tread patten is the same across the tyre. Any tyre can be fitted to any wheel and white letters can be turned inwards.
Asymmetric means that the tread patten is non symmetrical across the tyre so the tyre has an 'outside' and an 'inside' edge. The tyre can be fitted to any wheel but the lettering would always be on the outside.
Asymmetric and directional is obviously the two combined but would require two different types of tyre, one fo the NS wheels and one for the OS wheels. Obviously lettering could not be hidden.
Some people have stated here that this new tyre is asymmetric and some directional.
I have not seen the new tyre but looking at the photo I suspect they are confused and it is just asymmetric. .
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| 4th Mar 2009 10:43 am |
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blue meanie
D3 Decade
Member Since: 04 Aug 2005
Location: Newbury
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asymmetric is the only description mentioned in most press releases, such as..
"....When it comes to developing a tire that can take on tough terrain, such as exploring trails or crawling rocks, engineers at The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company GT left no stone unturned. The new Goodyear Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar is the company's first off-road tire built with the rugged toughness of DuPont Kevlar(R) for enhanced sidewall puncture resistance.
(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20050204/GTLOGO )
The use of Kevlar, an innovative material that is, pound-for-pound, five times stronger than steel, brings superb sidewall cut- and puncture-resistance to an area of the tire that demands extra toughness when driving off-road. It also helps reinforce the sidewall for when drivers return to the pavement for the drive home.
"The new Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar updates the legendary off-road performing namesake, which has had a great reputation among serious off-roaders," said Melissa Montisano, Goodyear's general manager for light-truck tires. "This new tire will certainly get the attention of anyone who takes off-road traction seriously."
The Kevlar-reinforced sidewalls in the new tire help increase sidewall puncture resistance by 35 percent, compared to the original Wrangler MT/R, a tire well-known for its toughness.
However, sidewall toughness is not the only feature of the Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar. It also includes a "wraparound" tread for enhanced sidewall traction in deep mud, sand and rocks; an innovative asymmetric tread design that offers aggressive off-road traction while maintaining handling on the road; and advanced rubber silica in the tread for superb off-road and wet traction.
Further, the Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar offers these features:
* Tread Guards, to help resist cuts from stones.
* Advanced Mud-Flow Geometry, to help provide self-cleaning and traction in mud.
* Traction Blocks, to help provide additional biting edges on rocks, mud, dirt and sand.
* A Three-Ply Sidewall, with opposing cord angles for enhanced side wall cut- and puncture-resistance.
* Ramped Tread Blocks, for toughness in off-road driving.
* Staggered Sidewall Shoulder Blocks, to help provide enhanced traction on rocks and in deep mud.
* Durawall Rubber, a Goodyear exclusive, which offers rugged toughness and helps resist cuts and punctures in the sidewall.
* Rim Protector, to help protect wheels from accidental curb-like damage.
* Rim Lock, to help prevent wheel slip for minimal balancing throughout the life of the tire.
Each shoulder block of the Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar is stepped "in" and "out" to help give the tire continuous biting edges as it turns through thick mud. Its self-cleaning asymmetric tread design also adds to the performance capability in mud..." and theeeeennn......???
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| 4th Mar 2009 11:12 am |
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