Johnny Oxford
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quick question, its a while away yet, but wondered if anyone knows the answer
My recently acquired D4, from main dealer approved used - just fitted with new engine by the dealer as last owner had crank failure.
Car is 5 years old, but engine only about 2 months old.
I want to maintain full LR service history, so in 2 years time, what are my local LR dealer likely to say when the timing belt service is due?
I cannot see the point in changing those belts, incurring a load of cost on that service, when the belts will only be 2 years and probably 25-30K miles old.
My local dealer is not the dealer that did the engine change by the way.
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Have you got any documentation stating that a new engine was fitted at such and such date / mileage ? D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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Dave T
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I would say the belts have been changed so the 7 years on that specific item starts from 0 again, similar to if you are a high mileage driver, the belts get done at more regular intervals than 7 years Joined the BMWX5 45e group
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| 18th Dec 2019 1:22 pm |
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Johnny Oxford
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I have an internal invoice from the dealer, showing all the parts etc fitted (including the engine), but nothing listing the work.
DN wrote:Have you got any documentation stating that a new engine was fitted at such and such date / mileage ?
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| 18th Dec 2019 1:28 pm |
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Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
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If you have the parts lists (internal invoice) and both the timing and HPFP belt are on the said list then you have your proof 
Knowing they are only 2 years old I would say you have a good traceable history. "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
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| 18th Dec 2019 2:26 pm |
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Johnny Oxford
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would the belts not be part of the new engine assembly?
The engine is shown as X LLR054388 on the list. I can't see belts as separate items.
The front belt is visible and does look new to me.
Is it even feasible that they would have not fitted new belts when replacing an engine which had failed with broken crank? 2014 D4 HSE Facelift Corris Grey
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| 18th Dec 2019 2:35 pm |
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Flack
Member Since: 06 Sep 2006
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Johnny the belt you can see is the aux belt and not the front cam belt, you need to remove the cover to see the front cam belt.
It should have had all newbelts when the engine was changed so its not due for a few years nows or 112k miles.
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| 18th Dec 2019 3:35 pm |
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Johnny Oxford
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thanks mate, I have emailed the supplying dealer anyway, I would like it in writing from them - my concern is maintaining FSH, and I dont want to be 2 years into ownership and have another dealer tell me I need the major belt service when its only 2 years old - hopefully they will be able to confirm this. 2014 D4 HSE Facelift Corris Grey
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| 18th Dec 2019 3:55 pm |
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lake_District
Member Since: 14 Jan 2013
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My D3 is 14 years old and covered 130,000 miles, never done my belts yet.......
........2 new engines in stead! Both came with new belt lol.
My engine is brand new, so service schedule applied to engine age, and any body parts, down to age of car....gearbox etc etc.
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| 18th Dec 2019 7:52 pm |
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Johnny Oxford
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thanks for all the replies, quick question: is the rear HPFP belt generally supplied fitted as part of a new engine in the same way the main cam belt is? 2014 D4 HSE Facelift Corris Grey
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| 19th Dec 2019 10:09 am |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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A new engine, supplied by JLR comes with a front belt already fitted
It does not come with a new HPFP belt, and should have had a new one fitted when the engine was replaced.
If you have any documentation of parts used, the belt number is LR016656
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| 19th Dec 2019 10:21 am |
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Johnny Oxford
Member Since: 14 Dec 2014
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thanks a lot Mikey, great to have a trustworthy opinion.
My JLR paperwork does have the part number "LLR016656 - KIT - INJ PUMP B"
I am guessing (and hoping) this includes that belt?
EDIT - indeed googled that part number and it is the belt and tensioner kit. Good news, means I have proof the engine is fitted with new belts. Might save me a few £ in the future.
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| 19th Dec 2019 11:02 am |
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Kilovolt
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lake_District wrote:My D3 is 14 years old and covered 130,000 miles, never done my belts yet.......
........2 new engines in stead! Both came with new belt lol.
My engine is brand new, so service schedule applied to engine age, and any body parts, down to age of car....gearbox etc etc.
One way of changing the belts I suppose. Sounds a tad expensive  "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
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lake_District
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It certainly is, wasn't by choice sadly.
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| 19th Dec 2019 6:22 pm |
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DN
D3 Decade
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 What happened to those 2 engines lake_District ? If you don’t mind me asking. D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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