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Morality Debate - Issue 2
Further to my inital post (which didn't quite happen weekly as planned), here is the second topic for debate.
Every year, 1000 people in the UK die waiting for an organ transplant, whilst the NHS spends £190m keeping waiting patients on dialysis. Should people be allowed to sell their organs on a free market to provoke transplantations?
No, your organs should be the property of the state and the Ministry of Transplants should be allowed to turn up at your door and demand them when ever they choose.
I reckon people shouldn't necessarily be prevented from doing anything with their own 'property' unless it is detrimental to others.
A more thought provoking question may have been to ask whether we should keep people alive artificially in a queue for organs which may not materialise at the end of the day? The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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30th Nov 2008 1:06 pm
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Organ Farm! That's the way to go, put all the convicts & pikeys in a racking system, drip fed & tube waste, seal them in plastic til someone comes along requiring a body part donation!
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30th Nov 2008 1:11 pm
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Beware of unintended consequences...
... something our Government has never acknowledged, never mind acted upon...
If you legalise live organ sale, there will be those who
1. are too stupid to value their organs, but only think of the PRICE and do something stupid (possible Darwin situation here )
2. are forced into organ sale by abusive parents, pimps, human traffickers etc etc
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30th Nov 2008 1:13 pm
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JMC wrote:
A more thought provoking question may have been to ask whether we should keep people alive artificially in a queue for organs which may not materialise at the end of the day?
I think that's circumstancial and would depend on the the consent or authorisation given by the patient (if in state of mind) or the next of kin. A suffering patient should not have to face extended agony to serve another person. However, should the patient consider his pain necessary in order to aid somebody with their whole life ahead of them then they're wish should be accepted.2007 Porsche Boxster (987) 2.7
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30th Nov 2008 1:17 pm
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Very valid points AndrewW. What would concern me on top of that would be the exploitation of the poor. It's likely that only the wealthiest would be able to afford organs (thus life) therefore it would result in extended life for the rich but death for the poor.
The other rich/poor effect is that poor individuals may sell their organs in desperation (debt money etc.) - therefore it's no longer voluntary when done out of desperation.2007 Porsche Boxster (987) 2.7
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People who sell organs for money should not, presumably, be able to get NHS treatment for any complications that arise afterwards?
30th Nov 2008 1:20 pm
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you'll end up with people in debt/drug dependent selling there body to make ends meet, in a hospital bed instead of the street corner.
30th Nov 2008 1:34 pm
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Here are a couple of articles from the Economist (which is a newspaper, not a financial boffin, for those who don't know it):
First, to answer Bobbycrispbox's point about presumed consent for donation, here's an article that considers the case for and against, and surprisingly points out that the USA, with an opt-in system, has the second-highest donor rate in the world. It's second only to Spain, which has a presumed consent system (you must carry a card to say that you opt-out). However, before you conclude that presumed consent is a sure-fire way to raise the supply of organs, consider Greece, which has a presumed consent system and a very low donor rate because so many people opt-out. http://www.economist.com/world/britain/dis...d=12641944
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