Pelyma
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Sales seem to have fallen further except in the UK which has increased.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/...=DM1049015 DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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Every model down except L405/L494
Said it before, the cheaper end of the market is being squeezed, while the rich are not affected
Bring back a sub £20k Freelander-sized model  My D3 Build Thread
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| 11th Jul 2019 9:17 am |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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given an 'average' family mid-sized hatch (such as a Focus) goes for £20k and upwards for anything more than poverty spec then your dream of a sub £20k 'proper' 4x4 is exactly that; a dream I'm afraid.
For years the profit for LR, as it is with other brands, is in higher spec variants, 90% of the cost is the same whatever the spec' of vehicle so sell 'em with trinkets and baubles for the real money to flow. Hence why the 'farmers market' is not of a great importance to the brand in business terms
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| 11th Jul 2019 9:54 am |
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vanpeebles
Member Since: 20 Mar 2018
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A real shame the new defender is not a highly scaleable, utility vehicle, that could range from 20k to what ever depending on engines, interiors, drive systems etc. Could appeal to businesses, industrial companies, farmers, everyone, rather than a slightly revised version of what they already have.
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| 11th Jul 2019 10:43 am |
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astonbuilder
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the piece price of parts alone for a 'proper' 4x4 is over £20k, a 'power pack' and chassis, suspension, etc. would be getting close to that figure alone
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| 11th Jul 2019 10:53 am |
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vanpeebles
Member Since: 20 Mar 2018
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Just make the base model on normal springs, with a basic full time 4wd. Jimny style (although that is rwd, with 4wd selectable). The current practice of targeting soccer mums and well to do chinese, has been short sighted. The same for surrendering the utilities market, once you surrender a market area, it will be vastly harder to get back into it.
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| 11th Jul 2019 10:57 am |
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DG
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British engine manufacturing down 23.4% in April a further 10% in May
UK car manufacturing down 21% YOY ...-20% in home market and -21% export
Commercial vehicle manufacturing down 69% in May
Bumpy road for all at the mo tbh 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 11th Jul 2019 11:41 am |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
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Jimnys higher spec model which is still pretty basic is still iro £18,500, I would have thought a £30k starting price was more realistic meaning a nearly new will be around £20k. But it has to be good news that UK sales are up. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 11th Jul 2019 11:43 am |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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astonbuilder wrote:the piece price of parts alone for a 'proper' 4x4 is over £20k, a 'power pack' and chassis, suspension, etc. would be getting close to that figure alone
Maybe at retail price. Cost price to the manufacturer will not be anywhere near £20k My D3 Build Thread
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| 11th Jul 2019 11:44 am |
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J@mes
Member Since: 10 Nov 2008
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Pelyma wrote:Jimnys higher spec model which is still pretty basic is still iro £18,500, I would have thought a £30k starting price was more realistic meaning a nearly new will be around £20k. But it has to be good news that UK sales are up.
I sat in a brand new one at the weekend, absolutely fantastic! But at £18K and with a 2 year waiting list (according to the dealer) it's a no I'm afraid. 2014 D4 XS
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| 11th Jul 2019 12:05 pm |
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DG
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Disco_Mikey wrote:astonbuilder wrote:the piece price of parts alone for a 'proper' 4x4 is over £20k, a 'power pack' and chassis, suspension, etc. would be getting close to that figure alone
Maybe at retail price. Cost price to the manufacturer will not be anywhere near £20k
But in respect of all the parts and systems made to go to into a vehicle, JLR is not the 'manufacturer', it is the assembler of components made elsewhere 
Just the cost of materials or 'parts' is 64% of JLR turnover. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 11th Jul 2019 12:18 pm |
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vanpeebles
Member Since: 20 Mar 2018
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J@mes wrote:Pelyma wrote:Jimnys higher spec model which is still pretty basic is still iro £18,500, I would have thought a £30k starting price was more realistic meaning a nearly new will be around £20k. But it has to be good news that UK sales are up.
I sat in a brand new one at the weekend, absolutely fantastic! But at £18K and with a 2 year waiting list (according to the dealer) it's a no I'm afraid.
Selling like hot cakes, while Land Rover has no equivalent.
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| 11th Jul 2019 12:25 pm |
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DG
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Why would they?  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 11th Jul 2019 12:38 pm |
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vanpeebles
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You would like to think they would be in the business of making money by selling cars. Especially 4x4 ones 
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| 11th Jul 2019 12:39 pm |
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Moo
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I've promised my daughter one as her first car in 2 years. Didn't think they were that popular although they have a good reputation. Might have to think of putting an order in if its a 2 year waiting list.  New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
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