zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
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Guys,
Today is the second time I've had this issue when starting (-4deg). Car starts, but doesn't run properly. Sits idling erratically at about 500 RPM. Won't rev up when accellerator pressed. Stop and restart doesn't help. On 3rd attempt I remove the key completely and then try and it seems to work OK. Yes, I waited for the glow plug light to go out before starting it.
Any ideas  , or is it off to the stealer? Sail Fast - Live Slow...
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 3rd Dec 2008 11:17 am |
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AndrewW
Member Since: 06 Aug 2007
Location: Saddleworth
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You didn't upset it fitting the .-. . -- --- - . / ..--..  2006 D3 finally swapped for a 2016 D4 Graphite in Graphite grey. No mods
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| 3rd Dec 2008 11:38 am |
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zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
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Don't think so, it's been fine with that running for months...........
Would seem a bit strange that running the FBH in cold weather would cause it starting issues? Sail Fast - Live Slow...
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| 3rd Dec 2008 11:40 am |
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SPOTTER
Member Since: 06 Dec 2006
Location: Adrift........
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Mine is a bit of pain starting but the revs do evenually pick up from 400 to 500 rpm. None response to the accelerator though was EGR valves failing  end of an era ....... maybe a Defender when it appears.......
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| 3rd Dec 2008 11:50 am |
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AndrewW
Member Since: 06 Aug 2007
Location: Saddleworth
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Hmmm! - Sorry, Zaphod - I thought I had replied instantly... Must have pressed Delete instead of Send 
Didn't realise the Timer had been in a while  .
My mind wandered to dirty injectors and using one of the cleaning additives. Hope it's not the EGR valves as per SPOTTER  2006 D3 finally swapped for a 2016 D4 Graphite in Graphite grey. No mods
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| 3rd Dec 2008 5:59 pm |
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simonsi
Member Since: 14 Oct 2007
Location: Auckland
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Running the heater too long with a nose down attitude (the car!) can cause this, there is some clever design within the tank to enable the long flat tank to cope with the angles that LR require, this leads to, I think, a slightly seperate area of the tank supplying the FBH, running the FBH longer than 30mins when nose down runs this internal area low which can cause uneven running until that area is replenished from the main area of the tank.
The LR instructions supplied with the LR timer kit explain this (better than I have I suspect..) Cheers
Simon
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| 3rd Dec 2008 6:12 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
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i think if you turn the ignition to position II for a few seconds then off , and repeat a few times...., this re primes the space in the tank Simonsi is talking about Duncan
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| 3rd Dec 2008 6:15 pm |
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zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
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Guys,
Thanks for the responses. Now you mention it, it does seem similar to fuel starvation.
I only run the FBH for 30mins on a flat driveway, but I'll turn it down to 25 and see if it re-occurs.
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| 3rd Dec 2008 8:53 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
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30 mins should be Ok, i run mine for 40 mins with no issues. Duncan
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FFRR Autobiography 4.4 SDV8 MY17
D4 HSE MY13 SOLD
FFRR 3.6 Vogue TDV8 SOLD
D4 HSE MY10 SOLD
D4 SE TECH MY15 SOLD
D4 XS MY12 SOLD
D4 HSE MY10 SOLD
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| 3rd Dec 2008 8:54 pm |
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zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
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Hmmmmmmmmm, wonder what else it could be then.............. Sail Fast - Live Slow...
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| 3rd Dec 2008 9:23 pm |
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zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
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Same again this morning, sits idling at 500rpm.
Off to stealers tomorrow 
I wonder if it's anything to do with this;
LRA TECH wrote:Here you go:
Try a fuel filter  !!!.
Failing that you might into injector spill test's
Contamination (debris/dirt or corrosion) in the fuel injectors affects injector spray and delivery rate. Contamination ingress can occur during various operations such as vehicle maintenance or repair and running on contaminated fuel. An injector with damaged internal sealing will also result in unmetered fuel entering the intake manifold...............
Is this your complaint though
"A customer may report a concern that the engine idle quality is poor for 10 to 25 seconds after starting from cold for the first time during the day. No poor idle or power loss is experienced after the first initial cold start of the day and all other engine starts of the day, whether the engine is warm or hot, do not result in the same poor idle quality.
Oh, I've also got the airbag light on and a clunking from down below........  Sail Fast - Live Slow...
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| 10th Dec 2008 7:54 pm |
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zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
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Starting issue apparently resolved with an engine software update...................we'll see 
Airbag light is a failed pre-tensioner. Apparently not covered under ex-warranty
Also charged an hours labour for identifying the pre-tensioner issue and downloading the fault codes Anyone know if this is reasonable or are they taking the p*ss? Questioned it, but they seemed fairly convinced it was Kosher. Anyone know how long it might really take ? Sail Fast - Live Slow...
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| 11th Dec 2008 7:57 pm |
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evo8
Member Since: 29 Jan 2008
Location: Zalesie
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Went skiing this weekend - the first morning (-3 deg) - I've run the FBH for 10 minutes before I tried to start the car. Didnot start at all - behaviour was strange - it sounds as it immediatelly starts but sudenly immediatelly dies. After 7 tries (always waited before the glow plug light goes off) - it started and the rpm slowly climbed from very low to the normal rpm within 2 seconds.
2nd morning )-3deg C)- did not run the FBH at all (thinking it might be the reason - fuel etc.) - was not able to start the car even after more than 10 repeated tries. The locked the car, waited for two minutes, run the fbh for 20 minutes - then the car started immediatelly.
The fuel is not an issue- there was second Disco III with with me the same fuel, absolutely no issue with starting.
What can be the reason - the glow plugs or ??? Should I visit the dealer (they are pretty incompetent here so do not really have time to travel to some other these days). Can I somehow diagnose myself. 2013 D4 TDV6 S; Baltic Blue; IID Tool BT
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| 14th Dec 2008 9:03 pm |
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zaphod
Member Since: 18 Sep 2007
Location: Magrathea
Posts: 357
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evo8,
I think the software upgrade has sorted my starting issue, but it's not been below freezing since it was in the garage last week.
DUnno if this helps, but it was na easy fix assuming it's worked. Sail Fast - Live Slow...
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| 17th Dec 2008 12:52 am |
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evo8
Member Since: 29 Jan 2008
Location: Zalesie
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Zaphod - thanks - I am going to dealer on Friday. Will see. 2013 D4 TDV6 S; Baltic Blue; IID Tool BT
2007 D3 TDV6 SE, Auto; club Faultmate MSV2
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| 17th Dec 2008 9:31 am |
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