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Moo
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Help with split charge system

I have a second hand split charge from a D3 that I need to fit to my D4. I'm confused with where port 86 connects to.




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If your relay ground is on 85 then battery to operate the relay must be on 86, thus closing the contacts to enable your auxiliary battery to charge. Usually this is switched battery, only on when the engine is running, releasing when engine is off. Just google auxiliary battery charging and I'm sure you'll get enough information for a safe, reliable installation. If you don't understand what you are reading, have a friend who has some electronics/DC electricity experience/training to assist you, it should not be very difficult.
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Thanks. 85 is earth but not sure where to connect 86 to on a D4. Any pics etc appreciated.
 New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner Sad
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control 
 
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I would have thought any ignition-switched live would do. I'll try and see where I connected mine to.

Edit: is that a voltage sensing relay? If not, it will connect your batteries with ignition on, regardless of the state on the starter battery
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It's a voltage sensing relay. It doesn't connect to anything Thumbs Up
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Embarassed Thanks. I'll just eat it then.
 New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner Sad
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control 
 
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That is not a voltage sensing relay, it's just a standard relay, 100A rated.

You are missing either an "engine running" trigger signal, or a voltage sensing relay to create that trigger for this big relay.
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From memory it also has a time delay - it won't switch until so many seconds have elapsed - so be patient when testing.
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Martin wrote:
That is not a voltage sensing relay, it's just a standard relay, 100A rated.

You are missing either an "engine running" trigger signal, or a voltage sensing relay to create that trigger for this big relay.


Martin, I assure you it is. The case is standard, the innards not so. It was on my car for many years!
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So it's been modified internally?
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Yes, there's a PCB with micro controller inside, all potted up.
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A label on the outside to that effect wouldn't be a bad idea Whistle

To be fair, "help" with a photo of a relay case doesn't show that.
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Okay I checked mine and reminded myself that mine is different as the solenoid is switched to earth instead by the T Max controller (which acts as the VSR in this case), rather than taking an ignition switched live to activate it.

Have you got another bit to your 2nd hand kit somewhere?

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Is this any use ?????

https://www.autospark.eu/shop/relays-flash...pins-100a/


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methley
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Here you go, for those interested.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120908232413...relay.html

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