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MJC73
Member Since: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Gold Coast
Posts: 100
  
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Feel for you guys over there in the UK - no such anti-4X4 movement here in Oz and I for one hope it stays that way.
Personally my house has at least 20 trees surrounding it offsetting my carbon output - and for 8 years I lived in London and didnt even own a car - so my historical and ongoing carbon footprint is miniscule - if anyone told me I couldnt drive my Disco because of my carbon emmissions I would tell them to shove it where the sun dont shine.
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 22nd Mar 2007 1:30 am |
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Valleyforge
Member Since: 16 Nov 2006
Location: Westmorland actually
Posts: 188
 
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I thought my D3 had a carbon offsetting sticker on it to cover 40 odd thousand miles .....
Anyway, not much else tows a 2 1/2 ton boat.
Good to see most press comments are that this is a con-trick budget. Ha ha.
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| 22nd Mar 2007 10:06 am |
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Points Mean Prizes
Member Since: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Doncaster
Posts: 42
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I was the Environmental Manager at a large plant in the North of England and I have to say that the evidence showing that CO2 emissions are contributing to global warming are true. The only potential argument is that this is a normal cycle and that all we are doing is accelerating something that would happen on its own anyway.
Having now decided that we are contributing to global warming, and that we need to reduce CO2 emissions to try and reduce our impact then I have to say that the increase in road tax is absolutely pointless. It only applies to new cars and anyone buying a new car can afford an extra £100 - £200 a year in tax.
Tax on fuel is without doubt the single best way of enforcing the 'polluter pays' policy as it means that those that emit the most CO2 pay the most tax. If I drive my disco 20000miles a year and another person drives 80000miles a year who is polluting the most? Why don't these people drive big 4x4s? Because they can't afford the fuel, not because the road tax is higher.
Is carbon offsetting pointless? No. If we are agreeing that CO2 emissions should be reduced then all you are doing is funding low carbon technologies and processes, thus making them more profitable and ultimately preferable. My decision to buy a Disco was in no small part due to the fact that LandRover do have the offset program.
Just my thoughts.
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| 22nd Mar 2007 1:35 pm |
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zig
Member Since: 09 Sep 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 619
 
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Simon you saidQuote:The government taxes the vehicle based on CO2 emissions not fuel efficiency.
I would like to point out that CO2 emissions are directly proportional to fuel consumption.
Currently the highest VED band Band G is for vehicles with CO2 emissions of higher than 226 g/km which were registered on or after 23/3/06. It is my belief that there should be additional higher bands, in say 50 g/km steps, that go all the way out to 600 g/km.
This would then permit the VED to be progresively increased all the way out out to 600 g/km rather than having a step increase for those vehicles above 225 g/km
As it currently is a vehicle with an emission figure of 244 g/km pays the same VED as one with 500 or higher g/km.
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| 22nd Mar 2007 1:46 pm |
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fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
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Carbon emissions is not why we have Global Warming.
You guys are missing the point.
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic10245.html FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
D4 HSE 2012 Like a second wife, more expensive but goes better! I almost cried this time!
D3 HSE 2006 (Almost 8 years together, true love)
Land Cruiser VX 1994 11 years together, wife cried when I p/ex'd for my D3
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| 22nd Mar 2007 1:56 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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zig wrote:Simon you saidQuote:The government taxes the vehicle based on CO2 emissions not fuel efficiency.
I would like to point out that CO2 emissions are directly proportional to fuel consumption.
I know that mate... but the RFL is NOT based on fuel consumption rates (MPG) but CO2 output. I agree they are related - and not directly in some cases.
Else we would be in a lower band with the TDV6. There are vehicles out there that will do same or less MPG but kick out more or less CO2.
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| 22nd Mar 2007 6:15 pm |
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anglofrog
Member Since: 08 Feb 2007
Location: in the hills among the trees and fields
Posts: 102
 
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Ok have you seen that there are to be more flights and its going to get cheaper
It shows there is no logic just futher tax on a poor excuse  Doing my best on the red wine lake, as its good for the heart
my other 4+4 is a real tractor but not as much fun on road
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| 22nd Mar 2007 6:24 pm |
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CY
Member Since: 16 Aug 2005
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 4502
 
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I agree with simon - the D3 isn't a 'gus guzzler'. But those cars that do 'guzzle gas' like the Astons and the Ferraris - I'm still voting "no" to banning them because I can't see any reasonable reason for it; it would lose many people their jobs and careers, and quite frankly I love these cars and I want them on the roads. This whole climate change is just being exploited by the government to rake in some extra dosh (to spend on nukes and parliament buildings) and if people can't see that then that's their problem, not mine  
CY 2007 Porsche Boxster (987) 2.7
2008 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE G4 Challenge (1 of 68)
2023 Defender 90 D250 X-Dynamic HSE
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| 22nd Mar 2007 7:07 pm |
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WOODY179
Member Since: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Chesterfield
Posts: 3637
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CY wrote:This whole climate change is just being exploited by the government to rake in some extra dosh (to spend on nukes and parliament buildings) and if people can't see that then that's their problem, not mine
CY
Exactly  1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
1999 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Rioja Red, sold
2002 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Buckingham Blue, sold
2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Adriatic Blue, sold
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver, sold
2011 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE Nara Bronze, sold
2016 Volvo XC60 D5 AWD Lux Nav Twilight Bronze, sold
2020 Range Rover Evoque P250 First Edition, Nolita grey, sold
2023 Range Rover Evoque P300e Autobiography, Carpathian grey
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| 22nd Mar 2007 7:21 pm |
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scolliss
Member Since: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
Posts: 260
 
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Quote:Else we would be in a lower band with the TDV6. There are vehicles out there that will do same or less MPG but kick out more or less CO2.
I am not anti but I took the table from the http://www.4x4prejudice.org/ site (our version of the anti's) and weighted it according to CO2 output per km based on the fuel efficiency, hoping to make D£'s look better than depicted on the table on the site. Unfortunately this happened...
Arranged (Best to Worst) by Total CO2 Output based on the declared Fuel Efficiency of the car
__________________MPG__Km/Gallon __CO2 per Km__Weighting
Peugeot 307 2.0 16v Xs__35.8__57.61__188__10831.53
Subaru Impreza 2.0 WRX Sti__25.4__40.88__265__10832.49
Ford Mondeo 3.0 Ghia X__27.4__44.10__247__10891.72
Porshe Boxter 2.7 29.1 46.83 233 10911.84
Toyota Corolla 1.6 VVT-I T3 40.4 65.02 168 10922.94
Mini one 1.6 Cooper S 3dr 33.6 54.07 202 10922.94
Audi A4 1.8T Quattro 30.1 48.44 226 10947.72
Lexus GS300 Se Auto 4dr 24.3 39.11 281 10989.08
BMW Z4 3.0i SE 31.0 49.89 221 11025.62
Ford Focus 2.0i Zetec 33.1 53.27 207 11026.74
Jaguar XJ8 4.2 SE Auto 26.0 41.84 264 11046.54
Nissan X-trail 2.2 dci 136 Se 39.2 63.09 190 11986.39
BMW X5 3.0d Sport 4x4 32.8 52.79 229 12088.10
Hyundai Santa Fe 2.0 Crtd Gsi 37.2 59.87 202 12093.25
Renault Espace2.2dci Priviledge 36.7 59.06 206 12166.96
Ford Galaxy 1.9 Tdi LX 42.8 68.88 178 12260.63
Land Rover Freelander 2.0 Td4 37.2 59.87 205 12272.86
Audi A3 2.0 Tdi 51.4 82.72 149 12325.32
Rolls Royce Phantom 6.75 20.0 32.19 385 12391.95
Jeep Cherokee 2.5 CRD Ltd 31.4 50.53 250 12633.35
Land Rover Discovery TD5 30.1 48.44 262 12691.61
Toyota Rav4 2.0 D-4D XT2 39.8 64.05 206 13194.69
I cant get the formatting to work but you can see the results. Life is what you make it.
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| 22nd Mar 2007 7:49 pm |
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MrT
Member Since: 12 Mar 2006
Location: Devon
Posts: 25
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If you vote on this poll it displays the current position of the vote like a vote on this site.
If you go back later you can vote again - and again - and again.. Do these votes count???
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| 22nd Mar 2007 9:05 pm |
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afp001
Member Since: 23 Nov 2005
Location: Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire
Posts: 161
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If GMTV really want to stir the argument further, why don't they refuse to accept ads from Land Rover for the D3 and FL2. TDV6 SE auto, Java / Alpacca
2010 Mini Cooper S Conv. Pepper White, Blue roof
2010 Jaguar XJ, Caviar with Cashew seats, B&W 1200W Hifi
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| 23rd Mar 2007 7:35 pm |
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