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Just heard this on the telly ... gutted it was Imran Khan in Islamabad and not anyone closer to home. .
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defector
Member Since: 23 Feb 2009
Location: Greater Manchester
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There will be hundreds of thousands on the streets as word spreads, and no they won't be celebrating unlike if it was Boris over here. 
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| 9th May 2023 11:55 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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If it was here, they'd all be getting arrested for being on the streets with placards. That's a big naughty no-no since last week. One more right quietly removed from the great unwashed masses. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 9th May 2023 12:23 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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^ So much for the greater sense of democracy that we are all supposed to have since 2016.   2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 9th May 2023 12:28 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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Oh, I agree that people wanting to do things like scare horses in to crowds (whether intended or foreseeable unintended consequences) should be prevented from doing such things. But standing around chanting "not my king" is not something that should result in one being arrested. Simple corralling of the protesters should have been enough of a response, albeit resource intensive.
It does feel like the legislation was pushed through quickly so that the restrictive actions that took place could do so. A political move which, on the face of it, is reasonable - don't want the coronation being disrupted on the world stage after all. But behind it, is the very real risk that these powers will be used to prevent all sorts of reasonable protests. That's the worry. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 9th May 2023 2:22 pm |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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When an arrested person is basically implying the police couldn't prove they were going to be naughty so therefore said arrest was 'wrong' is when it has all turned to  for me.
I was more than happy the police arrested 'potential' disruptors at the coronation, the consequences of them getting it wrong and tie-on's or, as previously said, rape alarms being thrown around and the consequences of that and then the "well you knew it was likely to happen, why didn't you do anything about it" experts far outweighs the 'rights' for such a worldwide public event of such importance (not debating the truths or rights of that statement) of those potentially out to disrupt in any manner, legal or otherwise.
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| 9th May 2023 4:20 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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Quote: implying the police couldn't prove they were going to be naughty
A central tenet of English Law is "innocent until proven guilty". The protesters had spent a lot of time communicating with the police about their intentions and the police were happy for them to protest. But then as the protesters were arriving they were arrested. That smacks of someone somewhere else deciding on their fate and is somewhat at odds with the long held position that we have the right to peaceful protest.
It's not a huge leap to go from that to the police arresting you for planning to peacefully protest outside a Council meeting because you don't want a wind farm nearby (or whatever minor protest you wish to action).
To be fair to the police, they were in a classic no-win situation. Damned if they did, damned if they didn't. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 9th May 2023 4:28 pm |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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but the one I heard on the radio was like one of those cocky kids you see on 'police' TV programmes, taunting, being a smarts ar . If the police do believe that a crime is going to be committed and with such a provocation then they are right to avert a crime they believe may happen. I support that view and believe that is what happened at the weekend. I'm not asking anybody to agree with me.
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| 9th May 2023 4:39 pm |
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pjm-84
Member Since: 04 Oct 2016
Location: Hampshire
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Dont worry I support your view. 
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| 9th May 2023 4:44 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Exactly, I’m quick to criticise the Met, but in this case they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t.
Had I been there and I’d seen someone deliberately trying to frighten horses I might well have taken the law into my own hands and such a confrontation is one of the things that the Police were trying to avoid.
Taken out of context, it’s very worrying and I’m concerned it will set a precedent, but in the context of the Coronation procession I think it was the correct course of action. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 9th May 2023 5:00 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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As with all of these situations, there are nuances that affect the outcome. If someone deliberately breaches a PSPO then they know what they're getting themselves in to. If someone who is considering a protest engages with the police in order to ensure they have a legal protest then that is something else.
If the police had intelligence that particular individuals intended to commit an offense then nipping that in the bud is the correct course of action. If they nick everyone "just in case" then that isn't ok. That's the approach that is taken in totalitarian regimes - those same regimes that we in the UK decry at various times.
As it happened, there was still a protest by the "not my king" brigade so presumably those people weren't considered a threat or were in a geographical location that prevented them directly causing harm. So the police "done good" there.
As for that woman, if praying can prevent people from using abortion clinics then it will work whether she's at home, in her church, or on the street. The fact that she's on the street in that location is an attempt to change the minds of people. Which begs the question - why do you need to do that if praying is the important part? Can't your deity of choice work without you being there? Christopher Hitchens would doubtless have been able to put it more eloquently.
I don't envy the police in this, that's for sure. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 9th May 2023 7:45 pm |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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Take it to the nth degree and that Guy Fawkes fella, why was he arrested. He even only confessed ‘under duress’
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| 11th May 2023 7:29 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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Take it to the nth degree and you're guilty. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 11th May 2023 7:33 pm |
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