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Engines sump guard mod
Hi
Been thinking that after removing the engines sump guard of drilling a hole through it so don’t have to remove it to to gain access to the drain bolt
Think like many of us having bad backs was just a small mod to make life easier
Was just curious if anyone else may have done it plse and if an ordinary hole saw would go through it
Many thks as always
16th Jul 2018 9:48 am
Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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would be nice... but....
You will need an inch hole and even then, how will you ensure the oil will drop straight down and not more go on undertray and make a mess. (need to keep car level at least)
It's a tricky job and the best of times to drain the oil without making a mess. Having to do it through a hole, well.....
Trying to refit drain plug while its dripping in your eye....
Have you see how thick that sump guard is !!!!
You need some sort of large square cut out, but not easy. Angle grinder I guess...
You could make it big enough to get something through to divert (almost all ) the oil where you want it but would that weaken the guard? Or leave sump vulnerable? Might want to make a removable cover but are you then not better removing whole guard so you can have a look for issues ? If guard is removed frequently you won't be tackling seized nuts each time..
Dean
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16th Jul 2018 10:09 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Or just suck the oil out the dipstick hole?
16th Jul 2018 10:13 am
gstuart
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Hi Pete
Many thks and indeed wasn’t sure how thick the guard was
Indeed was thinking a suitably sized panel , preventing oil from dripping onto the plate , with enough access to turn the spanner to remove the sump plug
Even something like a small hinged drop down access panel ???
just trying to save having to remove it each year but indeed know ur right , it’s a question of trying to measure and line everything up so oil properly drains without making a royal mess
Got to change the engine oil so at least I can get a better idea once I remove it
Only thing is my Mot is this Friday so would prefer to put it back on in time , also see I haven got a gearbox protection plate
Thks again
16th Jul 2018 10:28 am
gstuart
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Hardware17 wrote:
You could make it big enough to get something through to divert (almost all ) the oil where you want it but would that weaken the guard? Or leave sump vulnerable? Might want to make a removable cover but are you then not better removing whole guard so you can have a look for issues ? If guard is removed frequently you won't be tackling seized nuts each time.
That’s a very good point , ref strength, inspection etc
See that why it’s always nice getting other views and opinions
16th Jul 2018 10:31 am
gstuart
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DSL wrote:
Or just suck the oil out the dipstick hole?
To be honest that would be a perfect solution saving all the messing around with the sump plate , but assume the sump plug is magnetic and I’ve always preferred inspecting it
Engine oil was last done around 15 x months ago, bad i now, done max 2,000 miles
Bought a genuine engine filter new sump plug and 7 x litres of mannol engine oil , also got all the oils to do the atf/ front and rear diff , transfer case
May i ask would u be so kind to share a link ref a oil suction pump plse
Thks again
16th Jul 2018 10:39 am
trailhound
Member Since: 27 Aug 2015
Location: Colchester
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DSL wrote:
Or just suck the oil out the dipstick hole?
That's what I do - Easy. Then I suck the remnants from oil filter housing too.
16th Jul 2018 10:40 am
Pete K
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don't think they are magnetic on these.
Only the diffs / tx box.
I guess the compromise it to suck it out every other oil change.
or drain it every 3rd. or whenever you feel well enough to do it.
I know its a real weight. And you need something to prop it on at the rear
16th Jul 2018 10:45 am
gstuart
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Hi trailhound
Many thks and must admit never drained an engine though the dip stick
But I know u guys know what ur talking about and must admit really like the idea and save my back messing around with the sump plate for now and allow me to get the filter and oil changed
What oil suction pumps do u guys recommend plse
16th Jul 2018 10:46 am
gstuart
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Pete K wrote:
don't think they are magnetic on these.
Only the diffs / tx box.
I guess the compromise it to suck it out every other oil change.
or drain it every 3rd. or whenever you feel well enough to do it.
I know its a real weight. And you need something to prop it on at the rear
Thks pete and that’s a real blessing u telling me it being that heavy , think I would struggle
Sounds like the best thing would be to get a pump to drain it out and indeed following year could organises getting a hand with the sump plate on alternate years
As always really pleased I asked first before finding out , this plate is heavy
16th Jul 2018 10:52 am
gstuart
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Just been looking in one of my tubs and remember I’ve got the silver oil suction pump , only holds 1/2 litre but at least could use that for now
Just got to find some suitably sized tubing
16th Jul 2018 11:36 am
SpiderBaby D3 Decade
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Location: Liverpool
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Easy way to get the plate off / on is to use a small trolley jack to support it as you unbolt it or bolt it back on.
You'll be able to position the plate easily to save yourself a bucket load of effort.
I've got a full set of GNVP guards and use this method (change the oil every 6 months) - even with knackered shoulders it's easy.
Prefer to drain from below so I can check the undercarriage while I'm there.I see no ships........
16th Jul 2018 11:39 am
gstuart
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Many thks
My old neighbour took the plate off for me a while back when chassis was all treated with dinitrol
Indeed I’ve always preferred to drop the oil but my back drives me insane with jobs I useto do without even thinking
Could at least suck the oil out for now and get the filter changed
Ref the trolly jack, wonder if there’s a wide bar I could get to put on top , so that way would support the sump plate and not fall off when bolts are removed and move the trolly jack
PS, as a side note , plse look after ur back
16th Jul 2018 11:48 am
SpiderBaby D3 Decade
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I've never needed anything on top of the trolley jack.
I put the saddle in the middle of the plate and find it balances pretty well.I see no ships........
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