Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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This idea has come up, as if it’s a new idea, from the day I started driving in 1980!
There are the same old problems with putting the whole charge on to fuel:
1. For those that do negligible mileage and contribute very little via fuel tax, they still expect the road to be maintained and ready for use. Roads deteriorate with time, even if they aren't used.
2. It disproportionately hits rural users, who need to do higher mileage to achieve the same results as town and city dwellers.
3. It’s even more unfair on those that need to buy petrol or diesel for machines that will never see the road (such as portable generators for electricity).
4. Road parking spaces could be taken up with multiple unused, or lightly used, cars with no contribution for upkeep.
5. All VAT registered businesses are already unpaid tax collectors. Imagine what it’s like for an independent petrol station that is already an unpaid tax collector to the tune of around 65-70% of turnover! These people have to pay for the value of the fuel and the tax on delivery, before they even sell a drop and collect the tax - they even have to pay the tax if it’s stolen. Kiss goodbye to even more independent petrol stations.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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6th May 2020 8:18 pm
Farmer Chalk
Member Since: 07 Mar 2013
Location: Independent Republic of Kentishshire.
Posts: 4156
Well you lot get your head round this...our 12 tonne, 32ft long Euro 4 Mercedes Atego HGV lorry horsebox costs me £250 per year to tax....how does that work? This is not a special classification that’s all it costs per annum...
Our G4 is more than double that....
6th May 2020 9:25 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23336
Washwipe wrote:
ronp wrote:
I'd rather have the VED element added to fuel.
And in doing so there will be extra revenues for HMRC.
1) the more you drive & pollute in the UK- the more you pay.
2) there won't be any more (VED) "tax dodgers".
3) foreign users who drive/pollute in the UK would now also be contributing to HMRC.
4) users of light & heavy plant machinery (from chain saws through to earth movers) would also now be contributing to HMRC.
All makes sense to me.
Except foreign vehicles, trucks very rarely buy fuel in the UK. Fifteen hundred litres which is a standard 1000 litre tank on one side with the option that most take running from Europe, of another 500 on the other side gets you quite a few miles.
How much is diesel per litre in France now?2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
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6th May 2020 9:32 pm
motorworks
Member Since: 14 Nov 2019
Location: Usk
Posts: 401
Not sure if links to gov.uk site is allowed, but here goes,
I'd rather have the VED element added to fuel.
And in doing so there will be extra revenues for HMRC.
1) the more you drive & pollute in the UK- the more you pay.
2) there won't be any more (VED) "tax dodgers".
3) foreign users who drive/pollute in the UK would now also be contributing to HMRC.
4) users of light & heavy plant machinery (from chain saws through to earth movers) would also now be contributing to HMRC.
All makes sense to me.
Except foreign vehicles, trucks very rarely buy fuel in the UK. Fifteen hundred litres which is a standard 1000 litre tank on one side with the option that most take running from Europe, of another 500 on the other side gets you quite a few miles.
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography
6th May 2020 11:27 pm
robpenrose
Member Since: 12 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey / SW London
Posts: 2136
Fuel is already taxed twice. I don’t think we need it taxed again with VED
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7th May 2020 7:12 am
nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
Posts: 4142
Given we are all supposed to be staying at home and not driving, should we not all get a refund of VED? 🤔I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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7th May 2020 12:55 pm
charlietortoise
Member Since: 29 Oct 2011
Location: Staffordshire
Posts: 502
Re: Disgusting VED
Thoughts.[/quote]
I leave mine idling on an evening so that I can get my moneys worth!
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7th May 2020 8:21 pm
scubble
Member Since: 04 Apr 2020
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 106
It was one of the things i wanted when i was looking for a D3, one in the lower tax bracket.
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7th May 2020 10:08 pm
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
Light Commercial Vehicle classification is the answer - I still pay less than half per year than I did in 2015 the last year I taxed by old D3 before selling it (which was £550 ISTR, so a £30 rise in 5 years is by no means a big rise IMHO).
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7th May 2020 10:52 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23336
£0 for our Toyota iQ town car. Helps to bring down the average.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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7th May 2020 10:52 pm
SN
Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
Posts: 13710
how much does the bag cost that you have to put over your head when you drive it to save your embarassment though? Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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