If you pay monthly it’s £606 per year works out at £11.65 per week for me to drive a car I want to drive cheaper than a few pints that’s how I look at it I know people who bought cars just to save on the road tax but don’t get any buzz from there cars each to there own I supposeRange Rover Westminster 4.4 TDV8 what a car
Discovery 3 HSE 2006 gone but never forgotten
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6th May 2020 5:28 pm
waterbuoy
Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: Argyll
Posts: 2894
Feel pretty similar to Furnitureman myself TBH - we all knew the rules when we bought our cars, and drivers have always been an easy target. In the bigger picture the VED is low down my list of worries and frustrationsCurrently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
Previously:
TD5 Defender 110 CSW (230k miles)
300TDi Disco 1 (289k)
4 RR Classics (300-350k each, 2 manual, 2 auto)
110 V8 CSW (220k)
S3 109 hi cap pickup (ex RN)
S2A 88 Safari SW with lpg conversion (bloody lethal)
Tax is not "paying the government". It's putting into a central pot that we entrust the government to reallocate and spend on us, the facilities we use, the services we consume.
We all want to pay less tax but all expect more from our services. As a couple of examples, everyone wants potholes filled in, and nobody would stand up in the middle of the street and argue for less money for the health service.
So taking the OP's point regarding this tax not being appropriate, sure, let's take it away and replace it instead with an incremental increase in other taxes so you end up contributing the same amount. Cost neutral to you, benefit neutral to the UK.
But that ignores the point made elsewhere in this thread regarding use of taxation to change behaviour. They don't want large, heavily polluting cars on the road. So there's a penalty for owning one, regardless of usage.
Whichever way you slice it, the need for the revenue is there. If you don't pay it here, you'll be asked to fund it in some other way. Unless the OP is saying "I expect someone else to pick up my share of the central tax burden". If that is the case, I'm not volunteering I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
6th May 2020 5:41 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23649
Although hasn't the formula moved away from pollution and on to list price?
Land Rovers aren't cheap to run, we do have a choice and I've enjoyed every mile in my D3/4 and FFRR 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
Anything >£40k list gets the backside taxed off it for the first 4 years. Which is what happens when politicians hear lots of folk complaining about a particular tax - they find a way to rebrand it and pass it on to someone else. It always ends up going full circle.
A Ford Kuga Vignale with a couple of options gets hit with this tax as does half the S-Max range. These are hardly "politics of envy" vehicles, yet they get hit regardless.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
6th May 2020 5:59 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72979
NoDo$h wrote:
everyone wants potholes filled in
Not here, we’ve just had our bit of the street completely stripped and resurfaced. Thank you to those driving high VED cars that are paying for it.
Ducking for cover.
6th May 2020 6:09 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23649
My pleasure Del. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
6th May 2020 6:11 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72979
Whilst I do miss my old D3, though not the D4, I don’t miss the tsunami of running costs. Bangernomics, it’s the way I tell ya.
6th May 2020 6:11 pm
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50973
NoDo$h wrote:
and nobody would stand up in the middle of the street and argue for less money for the health service.
Well, not since early March anyway 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
6th May 2020 6:37 pm
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Posts: 20795
DSL wrote:
Whilst I do miss my old D3, though not the D4, I don’t miss the tsunami of running costs. Bangernomics, it’s the way I tell ya.
Agreed. My £500 Skoda got a timing belt, service, and... um... Screenwash. Hasn't missed a beat
Compare that to the 4yr old Sport we had in, noisy rear diff and leaking front ARC pipes. A nice £4k bill My D3 Build Thread
and nobody would stand up in the middle of the street and argue for less money for the health service.
Well, not since early March anyway
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I put the bait out there and the same fish just keeps on grabbing the hook! I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
6th May 2020 7:35 pm
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
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Posts: 50973
Nah not me ...I'd like to see some sort of scenario come around where we should sell it to the USA and introduce healthcare insurance ....I wonder if there is such a scenario possible? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
6th May 2020 7:38 pm
kajtzu
Member Since: 11 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6693
Disco_Mikey wrote:
DSL wrote:
Whilst I do miss my old D3, though not the D4, I don’t miss the tsunami of running costs. Bangernomics, it’s the way I tell ya.
Agreed. My £500 Skoda got a timing belt, service, and... um... Screenwash. Hasn't missed a beat
Compare that to the 4yr old Sport we had in, noisy rear diff and leaking front ARC pipes. A nice £4k bill
My D3 hasn’t needed anything in over a year besides a few filters and an oil change.
I'd rather have the VED element added to fuel.
And in doing so there will be extra revenues for HMRC.
1) the more you drive & pollute in the UK- the more you pay.
2) there won't be any more (VED) "tax dodgers".
3) foreign users who drive/pollute in the UK would now also be contributing to HMRC.
4) users of light & heavy plant machinery (from chain saws through to earth movers) would also now be contributing to HMRC.
All makes sense to me.
Except foreign vehicles, trucks very rarely buy fuel in the UK. Fifteen hundred litres which is a standard 1000 litre tank on one side with the option that most take running from Europe, of another 500 on the other side gets you quite a few miles.
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