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scottd007
Member Since: 07 May 2012
Location: Burbage
Posts: 3
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wiggs wrote:Can't check now as I'm not home ... But I'm sure the window kit is cheaper than the motor on its own
Could you let me have the part number for this if possible?
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23rd May 2012 4:22 pm |
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developmental
Member Since: 02 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 17
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What's missing from the Disco 4 commercial in terms of safety features, air bags etc?
Phil
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12th Jun 2012 5:17 pm |
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LiftedDisco
Member Since: 10 Jun 2010
Location: Towcester
Posts: 997
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AFAIK it's just the rear side 'curtain' airbags which would normally serve the rear seats - everything else is as standard. D4 Commercial - 65 Plate, 2016MY
D5 Commercial - Handed back when I left that job…
D4 Commercial (2014MY) - gone
D4 Commercial SDV6 - Baltic Blue (also gone)
D1 300TDi... 2" lift, HD bumpers (both), detachable tow hitch, 9,500lb winch, 235/85/16 muds and plenty of other toys (gone to make way for the next toy...)
Smiles per Mile - Tornado Motorsports caged Evo 3... 100" Defender look-alike, with Range Rover running gear - all fully IVA'd and registered!
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12th Jun 2012 7:36 pm |
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Speedsix
Member Since: 10 May 2012
Location: Southern England
Posts: 15
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"Can't check now as I'm not home ... But I'm sure the window kit is cheaper than the motor on its own"
Can anyone help with the part numbers for the window kit?
My new commercial is due to be delivered any day now, and I'd like to get the windows working asap. Thanks in advance.
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29th Aug 2012 5:37 am |
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J4CKO
Member Since: 06 Jan 2007
Location: Holmfirth
Posts: 8
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Just posted this in the mail forum...
A recent tax ruling that a Land Rover Discovery provided to an employee for work use should be taxed as a car rather than a van is an “unacceptable†application of benefit-in-kind rules on company cars, according to ICAS tax director Derek Allen.
In a recent ICAS tax podcast Allen highlighted the First Tier Tax Tribunal case Jones v Revenue & Customs [2012] UKFTT 265 that turned on the classification of a Land Rover Discovery as a car rather than a van.
The appeal was brought by a mobile technician working for Jaguar Land Rover, who was supplied with a new Land Rover Discovery 4 2.7 TDV6 GS Auto for work purposes.
The vehicle had been modified to carry engine components and tools as a mobile workshop, but HMRC determined that it was a car available for his private use. Jones was hit with an assessment for roughly £2,600 in income tax.
The rear seats and seat belt fittings were still in, but tool boxes fixed above the seats made them unusable. HMRC argued the vehicle should be treated as a car as the modifications were not permanent, nor substantial enough to have altered its original manufactured construction.
Section 115 of the Income Tax (Earnings and Pensions) Act 2003, states that a car “is not a goods vehicleâ€, whilst a van “a vehicle of a construction primarily suited for the conveyance of goods or burden of any descriptionâ€.
In his podcast, Allen said HMRC’s application of the benefit-in-kind rules on company cars was “going beyond the boundaries of what is acceptableâ€.
The Jones case shows that even though the employee’s enjoyment of the car would be minimal, the benefit in kind charge was considerable, giving employers who provide vehicles to staff “food for thoughtâ€, Allen said.
The case also generated interest in AccountingWEB’s company car discussion group. There was some debate over the merits of Land-Rover Discoveries versus Defenders, but “oldmanwetmix†was less sympathetic than Allen to the case of Mr Jones.
Modifying cars and calling them vans is “one of the most common examples of clients trying it on after listening to the pub/barstool amateur accountantâ€, he commented. “If you want a van, why not buy a van?â€
James Mitchell went back to the specifics of the case and argued that Land Rover lovers could satisfy their motoring urges and HMRC’s criteria for tax relief.
“Rules for the Land Rovers do already exist,†he posted. There is a qualifying commercial Discovery range, and a Utility Pack option is available for 110 models that would allow them to be classed as commercial vehicles.
Otherwise the Land Rover is a car, he wrote, unless sufficiently modified to qualify. “Though I suspect it may invalidate your warranty if the modifications are not agreed with Land Rover.â€
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10th Sep 2012 12:13 pm |
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LiftedDisco
Member Since: 10 Jun 2010
Location: Towcester
Posts: 997
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It would appear that the real nub of the argument here is the fact that seats were fitted when it left the factory - thereby making it a car.
The Commercial is produced by Special Vehicles and, whilst I feel for the chap involved, have to say that the main blame would appear to lie with LRJ who seem to have provided a car to fulfil the requirements of a van but left the employee to pick up the bill...
As I have said before, and will continue to say... if you want a Commercial, use it as such and then take the van benefit with a clear conscience... don't try to reverse engineer something into an almost-car! D4 Commercial - 65 Plate, 2016MY
D5 Commercial - Handed back when I left that job…
D4 Commercial (2014MY) - gone
D4 Commercial SDV6 - Baltic Blue (also gone)
D1 300TDi... 2" lift, HD bumpers (both), detachable tow hitch, 9,500lb winch, 235/85/16 muds and plenty of other toys (gone to make way for the next toy...)
Smiles per Mile - Tornado Motorsports caged Evo 3... 100" Defender look-alike, with Range Rover running gear - all fully IVA'd and registered!
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10th Sep 2012 6:24 pm |
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Landyash
Member Since: 31 Jul 2012
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 273
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If it helps I have both complete rear electric window motors with and loom out of a Disco 3,if it can be modded?
Just let me know.
Ash
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10th Sep 2012 10:51 pm |
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Speedsix
Member Since: 10 May 2012
Location: Southern England
Posts: 15
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Just took delivery of my 2012 D4 Commercial yesterday, a month late, but worth the wait.
Had the rear door panels off to remove the ABS plastic panels this morning, which was relatively straight forward. But LR have changed the way in which they isolate the window mechanism. Up on removing the door panel, the wiring to the motors is all in place and connected, there I was with my new motors ready to connect in the missing socket , so if you have a 2012 or later D4 Commercial don't get replacement motors for the missing connector, as previously posted for earlier models.
Now the question is this: the motors are definitely connected, when you operate the window button, you can see movement of about 2-3mm, then stop. So we have power and a small bit of movement, does anyone out there know what to do next, there is obviously something obstructing the downward movement of the side glass.
Any ideas or if you've already done the mod, please let me know. For those looking for info on how to get the door panels off, I took a few pics when doing mine, I did try to post the images here, but failed, go to https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A3JtdOXmGKyxsV
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30th Sep 2012 11:39 am |
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Mr Billy
Member Since: 09 Sep 2012
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 1
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I have removed the plastic from my windows, but the whole window looks to be glued in, as there is the black glue down the side of the window. Im not sure how you go about getting that out!
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30th Sep 2012 6:06 pm |
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Speedsix
Member Since: 10 May 2012
Location: Southern England
Posts: 15
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If you take the door panels off you can then remove the old surrounds to the window, and replace them with new ones, the glue you mention is just stuck to the surrounds rather than to the glass. I have the part numbers somewhere if you need them.
If your Disco is the same as mine, you'll see that window moves 2mm or so, then stops, hopefully someone has found away of releasing them?
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1st Oct 2012 9:50 am |
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Nizmo
Member Since: 04 Oct 2012
Location: Blackpool
Posts: 5
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Bump, I will be taking delivery of a 2013MY D4 later this year or January and would also like to know how to 'un-freeze' the windows.
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10th Oct 2012 1:27 pm |
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garyemms1974
Member Since: 19 May 2008
Location: Ely
Posts: 61
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what are the best rear seats to put into a discovery commercial, any reccomendations, and how do you free up the rear windows?
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18th Oct 2012 4:33 pm |
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stumpy
Member Since: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Stoke on Trent
Posts: 620
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18th Oct 2012 4:54 pm |
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20th Oct 2012 1:02 pm |
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Speedsix
Member Since: 10 May 2012
Location: Southern England
Posts: 15
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Bump Really. Has anyone managed to get their 2012/13 rear door windows to work. A reminder of my original post:
Had the rear door panels off to remove the ABS plastic panels this morning, which was relatively straight forward. But LR have changed the way in which they isolate the window mechanism. Upon removing the door panel, the wiring to the motors is all in place and connected, there I was with my new motors ready to connect in the missing socket, so if you have a 2012 or later D4 Commercial don't get replacement motors for the missing connector, as previously posted for earlier models.
Now the question is this: the motors are definitely connected, when you operate the window button, you can see movement of about 2-3mm, then stop. So we have power and a small bit of movement, does anyone out there know what to do next, there is obviously something obstructing the downward movement of the side glass, I'm guessing LR have inserted some pins to stop the glass going down.
Any ideas?
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