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came in by email today
Let me see if I got this right ?
*IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS
HARD LABOUR.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED
INDEFINITELY.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD
FROM AGAIN.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A
SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO
POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.*
*IF YOU CROSS THE BRITTISH BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET*
*• A JOB,*
*• A DRIVERS LICENCE,*
*• SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,*
*• WELFARE PAYMENTS,*
*• FOOD STAMPS,*
*• CREDIT CARDS,*
*• SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,*
*• FREE EDUCATION,*
*• FREE HEALTH CARE,*
*• A LOBBYIST IN WESTMINSTER*
*• BILLIONS OF POUNDS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE*
* MONEY TO GO HOME IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT IN UK
*• THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU
DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT*
*• AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.*
* I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION…*Experience is a difficult teacher, because she gives the test first and then the lesson afterwards!!!!
Its called the free world where we have the luxury of a well established and transparent judicial process, a democracy, social support for the less-fortunate and a government that is, on the whole, accountable for it's actions. And most importantly - freedom to choose and pf speech.
All those countries you listed are a combination of dictatorships, consider human rights to be lower than personal/governmental gain; are starving their people whilst building nuclear reactors; complicit on the murder of anyone deemed "undesirable"; no accountability; police/military states; no judicial process; a lawless land with perpetual tribal fighting; run by strict religious law that has been twisted and perverted from the original intent; and for at least one responsible for the murder of about 50 million of its own people...
So before statements like this are put up, you might want to consider where you are happy living... The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeksnearly 4 weeksover 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
23rd Feb 2010 8:17 am
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Well said JF 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
Last edited by DG on 23rd Feb 2010 10:31 am. Edited 2 times in total
spot on.
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23rd Feb 2010 10:25 am
astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
Location: MIDLANDS
Posts: 8053
Both true though.....
consider the following;
Newly arrived immigrant in £2m house in London with 7 other adult family members, none of whom work. Benefits of various types to the tune of £80k per annum. One son seen in brand new MINI and Merc also owned.
UK born citizen working since 16, paid £30k tax last year and £7.5k NI made redundant when company moved to China. Loss of job coincided with divorce and forced sale of marital home thus meaning he has about £80k in 'savings' according to them in power. Has two children and can claim jobseekers allowance of £64.30 a week for six months (something they keep telling him every week and sending him letters with the date his money stops) and living in, nice but modest, rented house as can't get mortgage until finding work. Cannot claim anything else due to the 'savings' he has as everything is means tested. He knows there are people worse off than him in life but it still ain't fair is it.......
23rd Feb 2010 10:29 am
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Agreed JF but you can't keep using that excuse until we go bankrupt.
Financially not racially there has to come a time when enough is enough and we have to stop this drain on our resources to look after the people who are in this country now. We are a tiny, tiny country that thinks it can sort out everyones problems, we need the political will to realise that this is not so and the means to correct this before we end up like Greece, Italy, Ireland, Spain and not far behind Portugal.
I did get sucked into that one ady.. Regards, Trev.
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23rd Feb 2010 10:58 am
ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
Location: up that tree
Posts: 4866
i think alot of these issues could be solved if we took the "great" off of britain. then it would not look so appealing..one wife.......livid
23rd Feb 2010 11:03 am
mzplcg
Member Since: 23 Jun 2009
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Posts: 1087
I don't think any regular person would deny the less fortunate asylum/social security/assistance etc. Call it what you will but the British way has always been one of fairness and a general desire to help those less fortunate.
The issue comes when various authorities/courts/political bodies etc confuse "Social security" with "Life of luxury"
Personally I have never objected to paying taxes; the objection comes when I see how they squander the money. If I was made redundant I would get the JS allowance of all per week. Nowt else, despite regularly paying in over 3 grand a month in various taxes. Is that fair ? You decide.
Do I begrudge ANYONE a basic level of social security? No, not now, not ever. Everyone has the right to a basic standard of living. But, they also have a RESPONSIBILITY to contribute to the upkeep of the nation as far as they are able. Clearly severely disabled people are the main exception here. But severely disabled does not include all these made up illnesses which abound in the modern world.
However, it is wrong to blame the recipients, hell I'd take it if it was offered. Blame the clowns running the country. It's the system which is wrong. Take as an example - a real one so I'll sanitise it, my Wife is Payroll Manager for a company. Annual pay rises come around and some employees try to refuse a 3% pay rise because they'll lose hundreds a month in tax credits. Is that right or wrong? Again, you decide.
Also, is it right that those receiving benefits (handouts) for families, i.e. to feed and clothe the children as well, are allowed to spend that money on booze & fags, Sky TV, gambling etc? Surely it should be vouchers for food and clothes. Is that unreasonable? That would fulfil the country's obligations under a system of Social Security, would it not?
Nobody, as I said above, would want to deprive any human being of their basic human rights. The bit which is never mentioned though is that rights come with responsibilities.
Overall I'll stick with the UK though. At least I have the opportunity to make something for myself and I would certainly never want to swap places with the vast majority of others, here or abroad.
23rd Feb 2010 11:12 am
Nepotism
Member Since: 17 Feb 2009
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I found it funny.
23rd Feb 2010 11:20 am
tanters
Member Since: 24 Oct 2007
Location: Oireland
Posts: 4284
TSR2 wrote:
before we end up like Ireland,
Yeah Trev, you wish
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23rd Feb 2010 11:30 am
al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
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It already been said, but its the apparent "unfairnes" or equality (lack of) that gets most folks going. Individual responsibilty has to be looked at as well. The housing story is repeated over and over, but if you live in a two/three bedroom flat/house, YOU HAVENT GOT ROOM TO HAVE 7 KIDS, so dont have them and then expect to council/state to find you a larger place.
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23rd Feb 2010 11:35 am
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mzplcg wrote:
Also, is it right that those receiving benefits (handouts) for families,
I hope by that you mean anyone with children regardless of income? Is it right that someone earning £150,000 (or more) gets the same basic child benefit per week per child as someone earning £15,000.
Strange how you rarely see anyone earning a fortune willing to give up their own entitlements eh ?
Should people over 60 living in £750,000+ houses be entiled to £400 heating allowance ?
Similarly, should the state fund their care when they own such assets?
I could go on and on really
Benefits ? Works both ways as I see it 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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all per week. Nowt else, despite regularly paying in over 3 grand a month in various taxes. Is that fair ? You decide.
