Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50979
LT wrote:
lack of split tailgate
Funny you mention that... In the D4, I'd take the dog down to fields next to the Thames most days and when we got back to the motor I'd sit on the tailgate for 15-20 mins with the dog in the cage watching the world go by. If find now I can do exactly the same in the D5 with the folding shelf thing...in fact I find it is more comfortable sitting wise and as you can also lower the rear of the motor to the bumpstops it's less of a hop up for short 's like me
I don't anticipate anyone here to have some transcendental experience where they suddenly change their view of it ...it will remain a bit marmite for many 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
9th Apr 2018 2:35 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23866
It's better than nowt, but the D3/4's tailgate is spot on (for me). I sat on a FFRR tailgate on Friday, courtesy of RedMerle, that's also not as good as the D3/4's, but it's deeper than the D5's.
A few times a year I use the tail gate as a viewing platform, with the upper section closed. This can still be done with the FFRR, although due to the curved boot there's a fair bit less standing space than the D3/4. Obviously this isn't an option on the D5
For me, the D5 has a few negatives as I mentioned. I could live with them of course, but on a like for like spec. basis with the D4 Landmark, the D5 is big £'s. So my thoughts are if I''m going to make compromises anyway, I might as well go for an approved used FFRR for probably less £'s than a new D5. The 7 seat option isn't so relevant for us now, the lack of flat folding rear seats would be a big compromise though.
Have to see what happens (or not) with the Defender or if another manufacturer comes up with anything.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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Irony is just a bit metally.... ?I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
9th Apr 2018 3:24 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
The thing is the perfect car doesn't exist, there is always a compromise. Like Tom I use the tailgate as a viewing platform from time to time (although my needs are much greater than his). For some the compromise of the D5 is too great for others it isn't. I have another 18 months before I change, but I don't really need the 7 seats anymore but I do want the towing capability and I do want the comfort. Maybe the new Defender, maybe the D5, maybe the RRS, I doubt the FFRR though.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
9th Apr 2018 3:49 pm
lespes
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Having seen this post and a few more on the road now I have sightly changed my views on the rear view.
Firstly seeing it as presented by Landrover, it still seems a little odd / different, but I think its placement is used as is a visual trick to make the width of the vehicle, which has got wider over the years / models look thinner than it actually is. Landrover has used these tricks before to make a large SUV look smaller than it actually is and perhaps this is a good thing.
With the centrally placed number plate it appears wider, but to my eye still does not look quite right, someone has commented "is it centrally placed?" and whilst we can see it is the middle horizontally it is the vertical placement that seems to be out. To me the number plate is just sat too high on the rear end.D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
D4 HSE MY12 Marmais Teal: Gone. Missed a lot!
Freelander 2 SD HSE MY11 Silver:Thankfully gone.
D4 HSE MY11 Silver: Gone missed !
Range Rover Sport MY06 HSE Buck Blue: Gone missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
Now demoted to a VW
9th Apr 2018 3:55 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23866
Pelyma wrote:
The thing is the perfect car doesn't exist, there is always a compromise. Like Tom I use the tailgate as a viewing platform from time to time (although my needs are much greater than his). For some the compromise of the D5 is too great for others it isn't. I have another 18 months before I change, but I don't really need the 7 seats anymore but I do want the towing capability and I do want the comfort. Maybe the new Defender, maybe the D5, maybe the RRS, I doubt the FFRR though.
Interesting that you’d consider the RRS before the FFRR.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
9th Apr 2018 4:05 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Posts: 73132
Never mind the back, it needs all the help it can get at the front.
Cross between one of these
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and Captain Mainwaring without his glasses.
Just saying.
9th Apr 2018 4:44 pm
M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
Posts: 8244
I agree with Robbie, it wants its knappy changing It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
9th Apr 2018 4:44 pm
Fitzy73
Member Since: 09 Feb 2014
Location: Truro
Posts: 2407
As I mentioned somewhere before when moaning about the D5 and aftermarket changes, this is again proof you can’t polish a turd.
Having seen more D5s now, I dislike it even more than when it came out. Although I have possibly just collected something that most people would consider even worse, for many reasons, we now have a BMW i3!Andy
9th Apr 2018 5:21 pm
jjvd21
Member Since: 16 Jul 2007
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1070
Anyone remember Gerry’s comments a few months back about putting tuners (body kit) companies out of business? Seems to be the opposite as the kits I have seen have the number plate mod included 16 D4 Landmark
05 D3 HSE V8
THE original D4 spotter
9th Apr 2018 5:44 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
LT wrote:
Pelyma wrote:
The thing is the perfect car doesn't exist, there is always a compromise. Like Tom I use the tailgate as a viewing platform from time to time (although my needs are much greater than his). For some the compromise of the D5 is too great for others it isn't. I have another 18 months before I change, but I don't really need the 7 seats anymore but I do want the towing capability and I do want the comfort. Maybe the new Defender, maybe the D5, maybe the RRS, I doubt the FFRR though.
Interesting that you’d consider the RRS before the FFRR.
Money and pulling up on a client’s drive doesn’t create the right image, but that is possibly just my own insecurities DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
9th Apr 2018 6:00 pm
RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
I think that looks a lot better from the back.
I really like the D5 and really want one. We have just had one for a week along side the D4 as a test - its a really nice car and thats now 4 weeks of extended testing now to try and see how it would work for us practically but sadly it just doesn't stack up we would have to keep the D4 for the dogs I'm dreading when they release the PHEV as I will really really want one.
Clocks ticking on the D4 its 3 years old in September so desperately need to find a replacement, praying details of the defender comes out and it looks a goer otherwise it could be a crew cab or something MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
Current RR L460 PHEV
9th Apr 2018 6:17 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23866
I agree with that Paul. For many years I ran Saab’s for business. A great neutral/non flash professional image. I’m less concerned about that now though, as I don’t see that many new clients and when I do they’re referrals from long term clients.
Having Land Rover or Discovery on the bonnet is preferable to Range Rover though. Although lots of my clients think my D4 is a FFRR anyway.
I think my clients would, if anything, perceive a RRS to be more “flashy” than a FFRR.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
9th Apr 2018 6:45 pm
Dusty
Member Since: 23 Sep 2013
Location: London
Posts: 1022
Not a huge fan of the original styling but I could probably live with it, it wouldn’t stop me buying one.
The list price will stop me doing that!!
I thought they saw me coming asking over £40k for a D4. They may as well just pull my trousers down and me, asking £70k+ for the model I’d have
£70k for what was originally sold as a ‘go anywhere’ family SUV.
The worlds gone mad.Discovery 4 HSE
SDV6
2015
9th Apr 2018 6:59 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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Considering that I once met up with the owner of the (much larger) company that had just bought a stake in our own business and he was horrified to see me get out of a company “Range Rover” (which was actually a mid range Freelander 2!), many people really don’t have a clue which one is which anyway 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
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's like me 
I'm dreading when they release the PHEV as I will really really want one.
