Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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Have a search. There has been some chat on here about it.
I'd still look at a D4 though.  D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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 29th Dec 2019 1:48 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Lusitano wrote:Whats is creating some confusion is that in the German Forum there are only few notes about snapped crankshaft in the D3, but a lot on the D4.
Any idea why? Is it due to sales numbers or is the risk for the D3 lower?
Based on the incomplete data but I would stipulate that:
- D3 2.7 liter engine failures are more related to the original weak oil pump which was supposed to be replaced
- D3 2.7 liter engines do snap a crank every now and then just like any manufacturer’s engines do
- D4/RRS/D5/FFRR 3.0 liter turbo diesel engines snap cranks more than D3s.... because they really snap cranks more often
Your government probably collects statistics on how many D3, D4, etc. vehicles there are on the road (registered) and when they’re being written off. At least ours does. Check the sales numbers from there.
Reading between the lines it seems that the owner is s..t out of luck in Germany, too, should the engine catastrophically fail?
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| 29th Dec 2019 3:53 pm |
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Lusitano
Member Since: 28 Dec 2019
Location: Tarragona
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Yes, one of the guys is running with the 5th engine 
There are a lot of records in the Net in Germany.
But you never know the statistic relevance of these posts.
The guys who are driving without problems dont write.
But if in China and Korea JLR is forced to do a recall on al TDV6, there must be some relevance behind.
Best Regards
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| 29th Dec 2019 5:21 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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He’s paid for 5 genuine engines?  Or 5 refurbished ones from a third party?
Based on the description of what they did in China I got the feeling it’s more like going through the motions than anything else.... ~45 min with some kind of analyzer attached. 
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| 29th Dec 2019 5:31 pm |
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ianm27
Member Since: 02 Jun 2016
Location: Hertfordshire
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Hi Lusitano, it does seem like you are trying to find some excuse to not buy a D4 when really your heart is set on buying one 
There are lots of posts on this forum from unfortunate members who have had a crank go, but as you yourself mentioned, the many many people who own a D4 who have had (relatively) good/stress free motoring from their car don't post to say "all is well/no problems". I imagine the same situation in Germany.
I have a D4 which has 162,000+ miles on the clock and am very happy with it, just the usual maintenance/servicing issues.
If you have an itch for a D4 scratch it. As with all second hand car purchases you go in with your eyes wide open and pray to the motoring gods 
Good luck Uncle Ray's spare wheel protector
Limo Tint
Blackvue front & rear dashcam
Cruise control switch pack
Bodsy's remote for FBH
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| 29th Dec 2019 5:32 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Anyway, there are some “nice” examples on AutoScout24 and mobile.de of D4 HSEs with 250k+ km and a rather fair price of 10-15k eur. If the engines have made it so far, you might as well imagine they’ll last a few km more
If we didn’t have a silly car tax in this country I’d buy one of those just to have around as spares 
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| 29th Dec 2019 5:35 pm |
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Lusitano
Member Since: 28 Dec 2019
Location: Tarragona
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Car tax? Try to buy one in Germany! Much expensive.
I you wouldnt always drive on the wrong side, I would buy my cars always in UK 
The current Price for a D4, still with 6 speed and 150 000 km is around 15 kEuro
The question is: does it have already the Belt and oil pump maintenance Job done or not? That changes the real price.
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| 29th Dec 2019 6:21 pm |
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Lusitano
Member Since: 28 Dec 2019
Location: Tarragona
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ianm27 wrote:Hi Lusitano, it does seem like you are trying to find some excuse to not buy a D4 when really your heart is set on buying one
There are lots of posts on this forum from unfortunate members who have had a crank go, but as you yourself mentioned, the many many people who own a D4 who have had (relatively) good/stress free motoring from their car don't post to say "all is well/no problems". I imagine the same situation in Germany.
I have a D4 which has 162,000+ miles on the clock and am very happy with it, just the usual maintenance/servicing issues.
If you have an itch for a D4 scratch it. As with all second hand car purchases you go in with your eyes wide open and pray to the motoring gods
Good luck
Hi Ian
Yes, I am trying to get this cube out of my head 
But it doesnt work. I am looking to others and 
Be kritish, buy British ( Old German wisdom)
Best Regards
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| 29th Dec 2019 6:32 pm |
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mullin916
Member Since: 28 Dec 2019
Location: Isle of Man
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New to the forum and posting so not sure if the 2.7 engine has the same crank issues that plaque the lr4 , can anyone help or advise on the best choice 3 or 4 ?
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| 29th Dec 2019 7:07 pm |
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Gareth
Site Moderator
Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
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They can all have problems. The D3 2.7 is not immune to crank issues. It also has problem oil pumps on some model years.
The D4 3.0 doesn’t have oil pump issues, but still has the potential issue that results in a snapped crank.
As far as I know, there is no evidence that leads to the root cause of the problem, in either the 2.7 or the 3.0. Some say that the bearing shells slip in the housings, causing the crank to snap, others say that other issues cause the bearings to seize and rotate.
If there was a definitive answer we would know by now. Some engines go for 100’s of thousands of miles without an issue, others fail very early.
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| 29th Dec 2019 8:07 pm |
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galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
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deffo a "known fault" and NOT covered by LR warranty,,,disgraceful
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| 29th Dec 2019 11:37 pm |
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lrovy
Member Since: 30 Apr 2019
Location: Nice
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Myself I've went with D4 petrol one though if you're doing a lot of kms then consumption is not your friend, +13l/100km (at minimum).
Something what I've heard from LR specialist about D4 and crank problems is that it does happen when one drives +160km/h... which is fairly often possible on German but no other roads.
Maybe that is an explanation to why it is that "aloud" on German forums?
Have you been able to find some stats from government? That would be interesting piece to the puzzle comparing it with other countries and see if there's any deviation. That could support the thesis re speed or in fact higher revs for longer periods of time.
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| 30th Dec 2019 12:55 am |
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mullin916
Member Since: 28 Dec 2019
Location: Isle of Man
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That’s a great help, I am looking at a 09 auto LR3 HSE, it’s done 137k so ripe for extra spends so I am trying to anticipate the problems ( I can feel the titters as you read that ) It has been main dealer serviced most of its life with the 4 most recent dealt with at a main dealer.
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| 30th Dec 2019 9:22 am |
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mullin916
Member Since: 28 Dec 2019
Location: Isle of Man
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Just found out the car has had body damage repairs carried out in 2014 so not 100% convinced it’s the one for me. Will keep looking !
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| 30th Dec 2019 2:16 pm |
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Avalon
Member Since: 01 Apr 2013
Location: Bavaria
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lrovy wrote:Myself I've went with D4 petrol one though if you're doing a lot of kms then consumption is not your friend, +13l/100km (at minimum).
Something what I've heard from LR specialist about D4 and crank problems is that it does happen when one drives +160km/h... which is fairly often possible on German but no other roads.
Maybe that is an explanation to why it is that "aloud" on German forums?
Have you been able to find some stats from government? That would be interesting piece to the puzzle comparing it with other countries and see if there's any deviation. That could support the thesis re speed or in fact higher revs for longer periods of time.
Petrol D4s are nice .
I don't think that the German forums are much "louder" than the UK or SA ones regarding snapped cranks - just take a look at the sweepstake thread from Oval Autos here on the forum. With the 8 speed transmission you normally do not have high RPMs even when driving over 160Km/h. Disco4 V6 SC HSE (MY2014)
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