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After some thinking my dealer is now convinced that my false interior alarms are caused by wiring problems, and proposes to install new wiring to bypass the old wires.
Is there any merit in their proposal? I'd like to know more about this before they start taking my car apart and go messing with my wiring.... 2006 Zermatt Silver TDV6 'SE' Auto, Mantec sump guard, Frontrunner roofrack, Lightforce 140s, split charge system and... a Jetboil.
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18th Sep 2006 9:20 am
Barn1e D3 Decade
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I would have thought "bypass" means removing the old arteries to make for the new! On the few occasions I have had to look at the wiring, it seems to be a bit of a tight fit (no room for duplicate loom) and what happens when the artery passes through a gromet? Sounds more like "out with the old and in with the new", rather than "bypass".2005, TDV6 S, Auto, 190k miles, owned from new, V8 Brake Upgrade, Nancom Evo, RLD protector, BAS EGR blanking & Remap, separate ATF cooler, changing all the fluids ahead of time.
You could be right, but anyway, I am a bit concerned about this operation. I seems a bit invasive to me, with the potential of causing more problems once they start messing with the wiring. Am I wrong on this, could a dealer safely do this?
And is there any real chance that this action will actually fix my interior alarm troubles? 2006 Zermatt Silver TDV6 'SE' Auto, Mantec sump guard, Frontrunner roofrack, Lightforce 140s, split charge system and... a Jetboil.
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18th Sep 2006 2:16 pm
dylansdad
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afaik this may not mean new physical wires just swapping to one of of the spares in the wiring loom.2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
18th Sep 2006 2:44 pm
10forcash
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what spares???
Can't see why they would want to change the loom, if the DTC's are indicating a signal from the sensors, surely this means valid communication
Have they replaced the sensor & confirmed you have the correct alarm sounder?
It may be worth disconnecting the plug on the sounder ( the alarm will default to using the vehicle horns) and see if the alarm still activates, if it does, then it is a sensor (or CJB) issue, if not, replace the sounder
The sensor was replaced last week, and the correct sounder device has also been confirmed.
I don't really understand how this all works: is the connection between the sensor and the CJB using analog signalling, or is it on a digital system bus? In the first case I can understand that faulty wiring may cause the alarm to go off. If it is a digital bus, I can imagine that losing communication with the sensor may or may not cause an alarm, but wouldn't you then see loss of communications with other devices on the bus too?
I am a bit reluctant to disconnect the sounder, first because I don't want to fiddle with this while the dealer is trying to fix it, and more important: most of the time the alarm goes of in the night, and while the sounder is not very loud, the horns will probably annoy the neigbours very much...
Would a problem with the sounder actually register in the maintenace logs 'reasons for alarm' as caused by the interior alarm sensor? Because that is what I saw on that fancy laptop with the dealer.
BTW, what does 'DTC' stand for?
If I understand how this is supposed to work I will talk to the dealer before they start messing with my wire looms to make sure that their action will make sense.
But if I don't let them do their proposed 'repair', am I then on my own to get this fixed? 2006 Zermatt Silver TDV6 'SE' Auto, Mantec sump guard, Frontrunner roofrack, Lightforce 140s, split charge system and... a Jetboil.
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18th Sep 2006 4:21 pm
dylansdad
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10forcash wrote:
what spares???
my dealer informed me that there was no possibility of a witing loom faut and even if there was one found the loom had spare wires specifically there incase any went faulty..... dont tell me.......yet another lie?2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
18th Sep 2006 9:22 pm
tlt
Member Since: 02 Sep 2006
Location: Austin, TX
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Liar or not
I suspect, and I have not been able to prove it, I have no alarm, just blinking lights, and still have no proof of otherwise. There are some good mechanics in the texasrovers.org forums, I might suggest you post your question there... and yes, there have been rumors here and there of various "connection" issues, etc. Wire will be wire after all...
Yesterday my D3 was at the dealer for inspection of the cable loom from the volumetric sensor. They found a section where the insulation was chafed off on a sharp piece of metal Unfortunately, the guy that I spoke to was not the one who carried out the repairs, so I have no clue to where exactly the wires where damaged Anyway, they replaced the damaged wiring, and - fingers crossed - I had no false alarms last night...
They also replaced a faulty wheel sensor that was causing 'suspension fault's and washed the car so that it looks brand new again, but then again it is only 4 weeks old anyway
I must say that I was a bit nervous about the whole operation, but they did a fabulous job, you really can't tell that they removed the lining from the roof and the A-post at all
Time will tell if it is now really fixed... 2006 Zermatt Silver TDV6 'SE' Auto, Mantec sump guard, Frontrunner roofrack, Lightforce 140s, split charge system and... a Jetboil.
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28th Sep 2006 8:30 pm
simon
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dylansdad wrote:
10forcash wrote:
what spares???
my dealer informed me that there was no possibility of a witing loom faut and even if there was one found the loom had spare wires specifically there incase any went faulty..... dont tell me.......yet another lie?
So LR have produced the perfect wiring loom for a vehicle... they will be rich !
28th Sep 2006 10:16 pm
dylansdad
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dont fire the messenger .... just repeating what the dealer said, although Im not sure I should believe it.2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
The guy I spoke to at my dealers told me that they installed new wires, he did not know about any spare wires in the loom. But he wasn't the one that actually carried out the repairs, so I guess the mystery remains... 2006 Zermatt Silver TDV6 'SE' Auto, Mantec sump guard, Frontrunner roofrack, Lightforce 140s, split charge system and... a Jetboil.
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28th Sep 2006 10:28 pm
simon
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dylansdad wrote:
dont fire the messenger .... just repeating what the dealer said, although Im not sure I should believe it.
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