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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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| AGAIN: Issue - recurring engine fault. Well its back.... |
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I have been getting "System Engine Fault" message intermittently for several months (have posted on here before about it). Fault code P2199.
Dealer replaced one of the sensors in the mass air filter thingy (fault always pointed to a sensor issue).
All was well, then it came back. Had the vehicle back at the dealer a week ago to have the sensor changed again. But have been getting the error message back straight away.
Message appears after a drive at motorway speed and then slowing down - eg from 130km/h down to around 60km/h. Slowing down to, say, 100km/h didn't result in a problem. No other warning lights. No loss of power etc. Always disappears after the ignition-off reset procedure.
Now tonight I come off the motorway and the message comes up - plus "Special Programs Off" etc...first time I've ever had that message.
This seems to be a very specific issue. But any ideas, pointers...?
(I am wondering if it is EGR related, or the start, as I think I am getting a hesitation when I want to increase speed when on the motorway and the vehicle is just below 2,000 revs...) The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
Last edited by JF Lux on 6th Jan 2010 2:43 pm. Edited 3 times in total
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 15th Oct 2009 8:59 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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Well, after being faced with this as a recurring probable and having one of the MAF sensors changed twice, the vehicle went in for a change of both MAF sensors plus a couple of other bits (I'm assuming they meant the components in which the sensors are fitted).
However, this morning I came off the motorway after a 25 minute run at a steady 120 km/h, slowed down to enter the airport parking...and again up comes the message of "System Engine Fault". But with no HDC issue, power loss etc.
Its going back for another diagnostic check.
But any ideas...? Possible short-circuit...? Could this be caused by the RAI...? The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 5th Nov 2009 1:27 pm |
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SJR
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Location: East Manchester
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Have you checked the state of your air filter after your off roading exploits? May need some of the dust knocking out of it to aid airflow! I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises.
Buzz Aldrin (1930 -
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| 5th Nov 2009 1:36 pm |
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PaulP
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JF Lux wrote:Could this be caused by the RAI...?
I would say that there is probably more chance of it being caused by the packet of 'travel sweets' that you probably have rattling around in your glovebox  
I used to love those little oval tins of what were basically boiled sweets but cleverly marketed as the be-all-and-end-all of travel woes and stress....ahhh...the good old days 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
2007 Golf GT DSG
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| 5th Nov 2009 2:29 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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SJR wrote:Have you checked the state of your air filter after your off roading exploits? May need some of the dust knocking out of it to aid airflow!
Hmmm.....I wonder if that is the problem...i do know the airbox has got very dusty...and (ahem...) a bit sandy after an over enthusiastic bit of wading... I suppose it could also be making the sensor dirty ?
but wouldn't the garage have cleaned this out when replacing the sensor 3 times over the last 6 months ?
And it has just had its second service - would the airfilter be changed as part of this ? The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 5th Nov 2009 6:15 pm |
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SJR
Member Since: 09 Aug 2006
Location: East Manchester
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JF Lux wrote:
but wouldn't the garage have cleaned this out when replacing the sensor 3 times over the last 6 months ?
Depends how thorough they are 
JF Lux wrote:
And it has just had its second service - would the airfilter be changed as part of this ?
Air filter is only changed every 45k miles/3 years according to LR schedule, although it is better to change it at every service  I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises.
Buzz Aldrin (1930 -
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| 5th Nov 2009 6:34 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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The first thing I will now be checking at the weekend...finger's crossed The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 5th Nov 2009 8:26 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
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DTC P2199-00 will not, on its own bring up the 'engine system fault' message, nor will it cause reduced power, have they checked for other DTC's? are your brake lights operating correctly? is the brake pedal switch OK? the brake pedal switch can cause the 'special programmes off / engine system fault' message
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| 5th Nov 2009 8:35 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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10forcash wrote:DTC P2199-00 will not, on its own bring up the 'engine system fault'
Good to know
10forcash wrote:have they checked for other DTC's?
I'm assuming yes. i was there when they did one diagnostic a few weeks ago and P2199 was the only fault. When it went back (which was after "HDC off" and reduced power happened) they said they would do a full diagnostic again - and seeing as they had to order some pieces I take this that they checked for everything.
10forcash wrote:are your brake lights operating correctly?
yep - checked that.
10forcash wrote: is the brake pedal switch OK? the brake pedal switch can cause the 'special programmes off / engine system fault' message
I will ask this on Monday
Cheers TFC The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 6th Nov 2009 11:43 am |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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Just been out - a brief 10k drive on the motorway. Coming off, Engine System Fault message plus HDC/Special Programs Off and into limp-home mode. Didn't reset as my destination was right by the motorway exit.
90 minutes later, reverse journey. Come off the motorway expecting the messages and I wasn't disappointed... 
But now with the orange "engine" sign on the dash. A reset cleared the error message/low power but the orange engine light now stays on...
So the saga continues and is getting worse...my one hope is that additional fault codes are now logged to help the garage diagnose the issue once and for all... The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 8th Nov 2009 1:37 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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Did the suspension lower?
The MIL light points towards EGR or turbo issues but these will normally be indicated upon startup, not well into the journey (the EGR's & Turbo carry out an end-to-end calibration check at engine power down) it's possible it's a faulty fuel temp sensor - BTW, manual or auto? if manual, does the gear indicator change straight away or is there a few seconds lag in the selected gear showing on the dash?
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| 8th Nov 2009 3:10 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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TFC - its an auto.
And just for clarification (just in case) by 10k I meant 10 km (about 6 miles)
No suspension lowering.
I've restarted the car and the engine sign on the dash is not extinguishing when started.
Vehicle is a 2008.5 model delivered Feb 2008 with 44,000 km (30,000 miles) on the clock.
Re: gear change - I have been wondering if there has been a hesitation on a few occasions when changing up. I put this down to the adaptive box and being very gentle on the throttle. The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 8th Nov 2009 3:21 pm |
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SJR
Member Since: 09 Aug 2006
Location: East Manchester
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Out of interest how dirty/clogged up was the air filter when you checked it? I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises.
Buzz Aldrin (1930 -
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| 8th Nov 2009 3:23 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
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SJR wrote:Out of interest how dirty/clogged up was the air filter when you checked it?
Not very...which means the RAI has been doing its job in dusty Spain and recently at the even dustier LR event in Bridel Quarry...
(were quite a few dead flies, wasps and other thingys with wings stuck to it through... ) The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 8th Nov 2009 3:27 pm |
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