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lespes
Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
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| 35 mph restriction on height settings |
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Just something that has been bugging me.
Why hasn't someone developed a way of lifting the speed limit rather than tricking the height sensors by various means 
To my mind would be a lot easier to use and would of thought re setting the limit to 50mph would of been more than ample for most off-roading needs.
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 20th Nov 2009 8:51 pm |
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SJR
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50 mph - whats wrong wth the 35 mph
Just remind me of the maximum speed limit at your location  I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises.
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| 20th Nov 2009 9:56 pm |
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lespes
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Sand dunes, corrugated roads even gravel like tracks.
Speed limit in my present location 70 mph.
If in Guernsey and off road it would be on private land so the speed limit is inmaterial.
People are fitting the height sensor rods to get a faster off road speed without the constant bongs and lowering of suspension so their must be a demand for it, well if you go off-road of course. D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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| 21st Nov 2009 1:02 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
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Except Land Rover Aus are trying to stop any after market modification to their vehicles. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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| 21st Nov 2009 3:05 am |
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lespes
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CaverD3 not sure what you saying as to regards my question. see you have height rods in your sig, so they haven't stopped you yet 
Would you prefer a higher speed limit before lowering automaticazliy or getting on down and screwing your own nuts as your rod is not the average size  D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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| 21st Nov 2009 10:24 am |
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MrAnders
Member Since: 19 Aug 2007
Location: Oslo
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| Re: 35 mph restriction on height settings |
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Unnecessary quote removed
I would guess it´s much more difficult to alter the cars original software than to build either a mechical or small electric work around. These solutions are VERY simple to build. Altering the software also rises a serious legal issue and I guess a later dealer upgrade of D3 software would erase the fix. -05 TDV6 HSE dc5r
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| 21st Nov 2009 11:39 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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I have developed a kit which got a mention in a major off road mag.
Result was Land Rover Aus setting their lawyers onto myself and Mitchell Bros .  LandRovers attitude to modifications is extreme they dislike any modifications. LR Aus can only supply what LR head office will let them but why restrict the aftermarket industry.
It is not theirs it is yours and we believe the mods to be legal all they do is give 30mm lift; all other signals remain the same. Lift is <50 mm and < 1/3 of travel.
NSW tried to introduce some new regs which they were using to say it was illegal but they were not implemented after lobying from the after industry and 4x4 associations.
See:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-zone/90806...ost1118592
Land Rover have said they strongly oppose the modification and the mag says it is at your own risk. Under warranty LRcould refuse any suspension claim related to mod which is fair enough but that is all they needed to say. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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| 21st Nov 2009 12:45 pm |
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MrAnders
Member Since: 19 Aug 2007
Location: Oslo
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When Matzker do this change they also put spacers on the car. Higher suspension at a higher speed combined with spacers gives the same stability as before.
They have done this in cooperation with TüV, which is the German test authority, and TüV issue a full set of test sertificates pr. car. These sertificates are widely accepted.
I don´t know if we actually enter a software license agreement with Land Rover when we buy a car from them. Don´t think it has gone that far - yet. -05 TDV6 HSE dc5r
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| 21st Nov 2009 4:35 pm |
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PaulP
Member Since: 04 May 2007
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MrAnders wrote:When Matzker do this change they also put spacers on the car.
But Matzker mainly sell these kits through resellers who almost never put spacers on the cars 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 21st Nov 2009 7:26 pm |
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lespes
Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
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Sounds like OZ is the new America, lawyers at every street corner and now off-road track. 
If the height rods are being produced and used, they operate by sending false info to the software, so no software issues surely. Thinking that the same could be done with regard to the speed sensor.
Matzker are doing something along these lines, though blinking expensive, so must be legal if TUV is gained and thats in aotucratic Germany. D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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| 21st Nov 2009 10:11 pm |
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lespes
Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
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CaverD3, do I take it your kit is now hidden away from the eagle beagles and thrown in the towel or is it still on going.
Taking it as yours lifts to an intermediate height you have fooled the height sensors not the speed sensors D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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| 21st Nov 2009 10:16 pm |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Shortened rods like the adjustable rods only alter the body height in relation to the height sensors. This causes the vehicle to lift which brings the sensor arm back to the correct position. So no change to the actual signal. It is the same as loading the vehicle and adjusts whwn it is too low.
Change of height is allowable under current codes of practice.
Issue is only LR Aus taking exeption to it. It is up to regulatory authorities to decide what is legal.
Like adjustable rods it is at your own risk. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
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| 22nd Nov 2009 12:23 am |
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MrAnders
Member Since: 19 Aug 2007
Location: Oslo
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lespes wrote:
Matzker are doing something along these lines, though blinking expensive, so must be legal if TUV is gained and thats in aotucratic Germany.
Matzker is bypassing the top speed limiter, not the height speed limiter. That is bypassed by changing the height AND implementeing their own speed limiter for their own height setting not touching LR height control/speed limiter. The top speed limiter is simply removed. Don´t know how. -05 TDV6 HSE dc5r
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