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Yes, you're right. It's not AdBlue that's the legal requirement, it's meeting Euro 6 that is. Not sure if it's feasable to meet it without it though 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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26th May 2015 7:31 pm
Robbie
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RDR wrote:
Pete@LandRover wrote:
Hi fat bloke
Thank you for your post.
The engines in the Discovery 4 do not require Ad Blue.
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete can you just clarify that please? I've got an Discovery 4 MY16 on order and understand from the dealer it DOES require Ad Blue? I thought that was the reason I can't have Rear Climate?
In fairness, Pete did post the text below a few days ago, before he went on that all-week bender of epic proportions. I told him that the flaming shots of adblue were not good for him:
Pete@LandRover wrote:
Hi All,
I know much of this has been covered so far, but wanted to add a few details on this subject.
Commencing from 16 MY, in order to comply with exhaust emissions requirements, some vehicles will be fitted with a reservoir containing Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) which is also referred to as AdBlue, AUS 32 and ARLA 32.
In reference to the questions regarding running without DEF / AdBlue, it is a legal requirement that the DEF system is used correctly, as it may be a criminal offence to run the vehicle when it is not consuming the correct specification of DEF...
DEF / AdBlue can be purchased from a number of retailer outlets and Land Rover approved retailers and the correct specification for the 16MY Discovery is:
Diesel exhaust fluid is also known as DEF, AdBlue, AUS 32 and ARLA 32, Meeting ISO standard 22241-1.
Should you have any further concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Regards,
Pete
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Red Merle wrote:
It's a shame when it seems that much of the demonising seems to be purely the media whipping up a, newspaper selling, frenzy! Bad news is usually good for business.
It's really just the media catching up. I recall reading articles in New Scientist in the late '80s and early '90s in which the surprising impact of air pollution on health was exposed. The worst offenders used to be state-owned coal-fired power stations, hospital incinerators and council-owned crematoria (mercury fumes from dental fillings) and the Government had a vested interest in hushing it up. They even gave themselves Crown Immunity from prosecution for making people ill!
Unfortunately, the issues have been blurred by the fact that diesels tend to produce less CO2 per mile, which slows down climate change. Manufacturers have been very happy to sell unsuitable diesels to city dwellers on the back of this (to those whose driving needs/habits mean a petrol engine would be better and greener) because they can charge a premium. However, the economics of petrol and diesel are slowly swinging back the other way, even for quite high mileages.
We all pollute every day, and we all hate the extra expense of PCV/CC/EGR/DPF/DEF, but I agree when you say:
Red Merle wrote:
I struggle a bit when a company makes a living, charging £350 a pop, disabling a system that helps protect the air that my wife & daughter breathe.
Went for a job as a human cannonball. Not the right calibre.
26th May 2015 11:12 pm
CRC@LandRover Verified Account
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Robbie wrote:
In fairness, Pete did post the text below a few days ago, before he went on that all-week bender of epic proportions. I told him that the flaming shots of adblue were not good for him:
Robbie,
Definitely would not recommend that choice of drink!
RDR,
Just to clarify, yes all derivatives of the 16MY Discovery will require AdBlue. The current 15 MY does not have this system.
Hope that clears up any confusion.
Many thanks,
Pete
27th May 2015 11:40 am
amazing
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"all derivatives of the 16MY Discovery will require AdBlue..."
Wow..even petrol versions.It is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
28th May 2015 4:37 am
Robbie
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Pete@LandRover wrote:
Just to clarify, yes all derivatives of the 16MY Discovery will require AdBlue. The current 15 MY does not have this system.
Hope that clears up any confusion.
I don't think you are fitting it to the diesel commercial derivatives either Pete.
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"all derivatives of the 16MY Discovery will require AdBlue..."
Wow..even petrol versions.
Which petrol versions?Volvo XC60 - does all that the D4 should have done
Discovery HSE MY16 (good apart from the heating), now sold
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28th May 2015 5:25 am
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Export versions.
28th May 2015 5:35 am
amazing
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As many people like to retrofit newer tech onto older cars (paddles. ediffs..hud)
maybe a whole aftermarket business awaits someone retrofitting onto older cars
just like the catalytic converter...or DPF,EGR retrofit booming industry.
A lot of greenies banging their wellies but, any greenies willing to spend money to be green?
surely it would only cost a few thousand quid to fit to your current discovery.( I see a merc sprinter def pump for $535 on the bay) along with tank ($1637) injector(150 quid)and a bit of hose, filler cap ($28)and someone to upgrade the electronics you could do it for almost (meaning more ) than £2000.
cant wait for the first write up.
has anyone calculated the footprint of the pump/tank manufacture, storage, transport, forecourt dispensers and the industries behind the adblue manufacture and creation of a whole new industry employees travel to work etc
for only halfing nox.
not a real fix in my book. bring on VCRIt is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
28th May 2015 7:17 am
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Hi All,
So for clarity, the UK market will not offer a Petrol derivative of the Discovery at this time.
* For the standard 16MY diesel derivatives of the Discovery, they will require AdBlue.
* For markets outside of the UK that offer a Petrol derivative, these will not require AdBlue.
* The Discovery Commercial 16MY will not require AdBlue
Robbie is correct in that the commercial 16MY Discovery will not require this, as it falls into the N1 Commercial vehicles category and they are unaffected by the EU6b legislation change in September 2015.
Many thanks,
Pete
28th May 2015 7:54 am
Klinkhammer
Member Since: 02 Jul 2012
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Well I'm glad that's the definitive answer.
Just one question, will I have to top up between services?I'm to old to know everything......
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28th May 2015 9:00 am
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Hi Klinkhammer,
This would be dependant on your usage. The AdBlue tank is approximately 17 litres, with the estimated consumption at 1000 miles per 1 litre. Please note this is a guideline and there are a lot of factors that influence the consumption such as Driving style, vehicle load, and engine size.
In general this will mean that it will only need to be topped up during routine annual services, as the service schedule for the Discovery 16MY diesel is 1 year / 16,000 miles (whichever occurs first).
However the vehicle will feature a warning light to advise if the AdBlue level is low.
Many thanks,
Pete
28th May 2015 10:18 am
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thanks for the info Pete.... you are being kept busy today Duncan
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28th May 2015 10:35 am
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amazing wrote:
has anyone calculated the footprint of the pump/tank manufacture, storage, transport, forecourt dispensers and the industries behind the adblue manufacture and creation of a whole new industry employees travel to work etc
for only halfing nox...not a real fix in my book. bring on VCR
I'd never heard of Variable Compression Ratio...cheers, I'm off to look it up.
Re carbon footprint of all this emissions-control stuff: NOx and PM2.5s are acute, local, health issues. They cause disease and kill people. Climate change is a subtle, chronic, global issue. The cost of doing things the dirty, polluting way is being increased deliberately, as this makes cleaner technologies competitive. Went for a job as a human cannonball. Not the right calibre.
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